Iron Mike Tyson Never existed.

[Live Dog]

I'm still laughing at the fact that you think that Tyson has a bad one.


Hmmmm, Gatti was never KO'd just TKOed...interesting.....

Like I said, dude had heart. Thanks for proving my point.

[bsrizpac]

Like I said, dude had heart. Thanks for proving my point.

Care to define what a good chin is? I guess we should start from there.

My definition is the ability to take hard shots to the face and not go down especially from light punchers and especially from one shot. If a guy can take shots all fight and a beating he has a good chin.

Pretty simple.

[Live Dog]

Care to define what a good chin is? I guess we should start from there.

My definition is the ability to take hard shots to the face and not go down especially from light punchers and especially from one shot. If a guy can take shots all fight and a beating he has a good chin.

Pretty simple.

I would say that it is the ability to sustain punishment, whether one shot or multiple shots over multiple rounds, and stay on your feet. Gatti had heart and the will to continually get up and keep going, but his chin was not good.

[Live Dog]

I would say that it is the ability to sustain punishment, whether one shot or multiple shots over multiple rounds, and stay on your feet. Gatti had heart and the will to continually get up and keep going, but his chin was not good.

Another example would be Izzy. Dude can take some punishment, but he does get knocked down quite a bit. I would say he has an average chin, but excellent heart and will.

[Truth]

I love the myth of Mike Tyson. The supposedly most feared fighter ever and one of the best HW's of all time. His resume is littered with a bunch of HW fighters who were average at best and will or already have been forgotten with time. People always talk about a "prime" Mike Tyson, well that Tyson got set on his ass by Buster Douglass of all people. That's right, BUSTER DOUGLASS. The only two elite fighters Mike ever fought KO'd him without really much effort at all.

Tyson had no chin, he had no heart, and he had no stamina. What he did have was the mental fortitude of a 3 yr old.

When he lost, he didn't just lose, he got straight up KO'd.

"Iron" Mike Tyson never existed. The man is a myth.

Tyson had a chin.

[Yogi]

u obviously dont have the slightest clue of what went down before tyson douglas..

teddy atlas and i quote "tyson literally did not train for that fight... he was out on the town the night before the fight.. and when i say he didnt train for the fight... i mean LITERALLY... he believed in his own myth"

I don't believe Teddy Atlas was in Tokyo, and even if he was, I'd certainly have a tough time seeing him being allowed to watch Tyson in training considering the past history that the two had.

To say that Tyson "literally" did not train for the Douglas fight is nothing but false, because there were eyewitness reports (Associated Press and such) of him doing exactly that in Tokyo, describing sparring sessions with the likes of Berbick, Page, Phil Brown etc., right from the time he started there on Jan 17th up until the fight.

Small quick examples;

"World heavyweight champion Mike Tyson, preparing for his second title defense in Tokyo in two years, sparred today with Trevor Berbick, the boxer he dethroned in 1986." - AP dated Jan 17th, 1990

"The heavyweight champion ran through five-round sparring sessions Wednesday and Thursday before about 50 reporters and photographers." - AP dated Jan 19th, 1990

Tyson kicked reporters out of his camp over the next few days, so no reports came out at that time, and the next report coming out of his training camp on Jan 23rd was describing the knockdown he suffered to Greg Page while again doing some sparring.

Daily reports came from Tyson's camp on pretty much a regular basis ranging from descriptions of sparring sessions to some reports of Tyson doing "light training on Sunday, skipping rope and hitting the bag for an hour" (AP, Jan 29th), although in some of those sparring sessions he was said to have been going hard ("three rounds of furious exchanges of heavy punches" during a sparring session with Berbick, as printed on Feb 2nd), as well as being decribed as not looking so good while doing so. But hey, so was Douglas apparently;

"Their bout in Tokyo is less than a week, and if they don't get sharper in a hurry, it could prove to be a dinstinctly lackluster affair. That's because the heavyweight champion, Mike Tyson and his challenger, James (Buster) Douglas, both appeared sluggish yesterday in abbreviated public sparring sessions.

The Douglas camp said the 29-year-old boxer's practice session with Fred Whitaker was called off after three rounds because Douglas was getting tired and slowing down, a result, they said, of a revised sleeping schedule

Tyson, meanwhile, missed several chances for body blows and seemed unable to push away his sparring partner, Phil Brown, during frequent clinches, in a three-round session. An earlier sparring session, against the former champion Greg Page, was stopped after two minutes because Tyson's trainers thought the boxers were fighting too hard." - AP in the NY Times, Feb 4th, 1990

Tyson's people later stated that they stopped the Page sparring session because they didn't want him to "peak" to quickly while in training.

People might be able to say that he didn't train quite as much as he normally did, but to say that he "literally" didn't train at all is completely wrong. You also can't really put much weight into the reports about him not looking so good while training for the fight because that was a common theme of his right back even as far as his amateur days when Tyson was said to have struggled some times in training, as well as the constant stories about him leaving camp for days at a time for no apparent reason.

"If Jimmy and Bill didn't have so much money invested in this kid, I'd get rid of the son of a ***** right now." - so said Cus D'Amato at the Olympic Trials in 1984, and in relation to Tyson's undisciplined ways outside the ring and in training.

It's also worth noting that Tyson's training habits were viewed as such a problem in the beginning of his pro career that Jacobs & Cayton seriously considered bringing in Eddie Futch as a co-head trainer to help squelch some of Tyson's bad training habits (leaving camp and such), which everyone associated with Tyson at the time admitted to, including Futch and Tyson.

[Mike Tyson77]

Hes right about heart and chin, Sort of ... His chin was average at best, But he made up for it in most his fights with amazing head movement, His defence was under-rated, He rarely got hit with big shots .. But when he did his chin didn't hold up ... And the times it didn't hold up? He struggled to get off the canvas, Not only struggled but looked like he didn't want to.

Not sure what you mean about stamina though, Mike was in amazing shape.

He had a good chin, he had to be worn down and stopped late.

[Live Dog]

Anyone else with a MikeTyson username or a pic of him as their av want to give me a red k?

[Boogie Nights]

hahahaha, the guy bumps his own thread and get his bar turned red laughable, didnt you make other threads too, asking who was more respected mayweather or tyson, and got owned in your poll

seriously, you're a joke, enjoy staying in the red

btw this guy had me on ignore last time i owned him

[Live Dog]

hahahaha, the guy bumps his own thread and get his bar turned red laughable, didnt you make other threads too, asking who was more respected mayweather or tyson, and got owned in your poll

seriously, you're a joke, enjoy staying in the red

btw this guy had me on ignore last time i owned him