Will Kelly Pavlik Save America From Becoming The New Europe?

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  • abadger
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    Will Kelly Pavlik Save America From Becoming The New Europe?

    When Max Kellerman, closing out the recent HBO fight card, told Kelly Pavlik that "saying no-one knows who European fighters are isn't good enough. Clean out the division, Kelly" it seems that most American viewers felt he was being unneccessarily harsh towards a young up and coming champion who rather than being criticised deserved a little bit of praise from the people who are presenting him to the world.

    All well and good you might think, but I believe Kellerman was speaking from a point of view that encompasses more than just the career of Kelly Pavlik, and had noticed something very important that Pavlik's future is just a part of: the future of American boxing and the possible crossroads at which it now stands, a crossroads at which the path chosen by fighters like Pavlik will either make, or break, US boxing as a whole.

    The facts are these: Right now in 2008, the self styled "Mecca of Boxing" has just 2 Ring champions, Kelly Pavlik and the supposedly "retired" Floyd Mayweather Junior. In the P4P list, just three Americans are currently top 10, one is Mayweather, one is the surely soon to be retired Bernard Hopkins, and one again, is Pavlik. If Mayweather's retirement were for any reason to stick, in the very near future America will find itself with just one guy flying the flag at boxing's very highest level. You guessed it, Kelly Pavlik. Starting to see what Kellerman was driving at yet?

    For perhaps the first time in its history, "The Mecca of Boxing" is looking at a boxing world where it might not only have to accept competing on a level playing field, but may even be playing catchup to the rest of the world. The relative absence from the ranks of young up and coming fighters to replace the fading greats of what was itself no US golden era, Hopkins, De La Hoya, Mosley, Jones, Winky Wright et al, means that it is not clear where America's next generation is going to come from, and puts an awful lot of responsibility on the broad shoulders of the man we keep coming back to, Kelly Pavlik.

    Simply put, it is possible that 'The Ghost' may be America's most important single fighter in decades. If he fulfils his potential, keeps winning and climbs through the rankings then America will be still be able to proudly fly its flag at the highest peaks of the game. But if he loses, what then? Where will American boxing be? It may very well have to accept second place to to its Latin neighbours and an improving Europe, buoyed by boxing's resurgence paticularly in its ex Soviet eastern nations. Some may say that for American boxing this is a fate worse than death, but I think there is a worse one, and I think Max Kellerman knew it too.

    Surely the worst fate that could befall as proud and great a boxing nation as the USA would be for it not only to fall behind Europe, but to actually take its place. What if America, in a boxing world in which it is no longer the dominant force, falls prey to the same weakness it has always derided in its rivals, that of trying to cling onto a status that it no longer posesses. What if America starts protecting its fighters?

    This is a question that American boxing in general, and Kelly Pavlik in particular may soon have to provide an answer to. It is also the question that, indirectly as it were, Max Kellerman was asking Kelly Pavlik straight up. No-one doubts that American boxing's greatness rests on its history of being dominant, but if it is not dominant, then can it still be great? Can America do what other nations and continents could not, and prove that greatness by ensuring that America's best always fight the best? Will Kelly Pavlik stay at home and chase the money in fights with fading greats, or will he chase boxing's greatest prize, glory, and take on all comers, no matter the risk, and no matter where in the world they come from?

    One thing is for sure, if Kelly Pavlik won't do it, then it is not at all clear who will. Perhaps new stars will appear in time, but perhaps they won't, and when eventually they do what kind of boxing culture will they emerge into? Will it be the one that America has fought long and hard to develop, a culture of courage and determination based on an unquenchable will to win and desire for glory, or will it be something else, a boxing culture atrophied by years of well meaning isolation?

    Predicting the future is never easy, and no-one will ever have all the answers, but right now Kelly Pavlik is the man with more answers than most. We can't see into his head any more than we can see into the future, but like the future, all we have to do is wait. Eventually Kelly's actions will reveal everything we need to know, whether his head is ruled by his wallet, or whether it is ruled by his heart. As boxing fans, lets hope it is the latter and that American boxing, in perhaps one of its toughest times, gets the champion it deserves.
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    I hate saying this, but Boxing needs Pavlik because of the image he has. he's white. if only Arum got on the ball and started shopping him around. get a PR person to put in the work and put Pavlik on network television.

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    • withoutthee88
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      Cruiserweight: Cunningham, Flores
      Light heavy: Dawson
      Super middle: Green
      Middle: Pavlik
      Welter: Williams, Berto
      Light welter: Malignaggi, Bradley

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      • RichCCFC
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        #4
        How can you save something from becoming better?

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        • abadger
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          Originally posted by withoutthee88
          Cruiserweight: Cunningham, Flores
          Light heavy: Dawson
          Super middle: Green
          Middle: Pavlik
          Welter: Williams, Berto
          Light welter: Malignaggi, Bradley
          This post was absolutely not intended as a diss on the USA, but I think the names you post highlight the main point of the article. The USA has always been the BEST at boxing, and of those names there is not a single one that is a lock for being the best in his division for the forseeable future, Dawson I'd say is the best, and Pavlik IF he stays in what is quite a weak MW divison. Williams MAYBE, Berto MAYBE, but I think Cotto will have something to say about it. Green, absolutely not in a world that contains Mikkel Kessler and lots of other good SMWs. Malignaggi is OK at best and Bradley has proven nothing.

          That was the point, American boxing used to DOMINATE, but it doesn't look like its going to be able to do the same in the very near future, at least not without looking a lot further past its borders than it has traditionally been used to.

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          • x-PeROxiDE-x
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            Originally posted by abadger
            This post was absolutely not intended as a diss on the USA, but I think the names you post highlight the main point of the article. The USA has always been the BEST at boxing, and of those names there is not a single one that is a lock for being the best in his division for the forseeable future, Dawson I'd say is the best, and Pavlik IF he stays in what is quite a weak MW divison. Williams MAYBE, Berto MAYBE, but I think Cotto will have something to say about it. Green, absolutely not in a world that contains Mikkel Kessler and lots of other good SMWs. Malignaggi is OK at best and Bradley has proven nothing.

            That was the point, American boxing used to DOMINATE, but it doesn't look like its going to be able to do the same in the very near future, at least not without looking a lot further past its borders than it has traditionally been used to.
            It's true, and it will upset those dumbass "if you don't fight in America you must be a bum" yanks, two of my favourite qualities in any post.

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            • Kris Silver
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              An interesting topic, but "Could USA start protecting theyre fighters", well there's elements of it now, and throughout boxing in all countries. Many in the USA think Euro's are lesser fighters, fight at home for protection, many in Europe think exactly the same of Americans. Truth is, there's elements of truth in area's on both sides. More Americans have been exposed by a massive underdog, than the other way round to be fair, making the suggestion Europeans are actually more modest about theyre fighters, whilst America underestimates them.

              This is what makes it difficult to judge really, I try not to focus on nationality so much but it is a factor, I'm afraid I feel some American fighters are already protected and don't show enough willingness to fight outside America. Europeans suffer from they're own problems, Calzaghe certainly coulda chased foreign fights more, but in the UK and many European countries decent crowds are being pulled so it's kinda 6 and two 3's.

              I don't think any one country is renowned the best boxing country, just don't. Often it comes down to a country having a much higher population and producing more top levels fighters, and a better chance of elite fighters. But everywheres capable, most places produce decent fighters based on theyre population, resources, economies, and how big boxing is in that respective country.

              Pavliks great for American boxing in he is educated on boxing, sound, has a personality, respects his opponents, researches em if he doesn't know much about em, speaks out about ignorance of foreign fighters, fights whomever. That'd be a great attribute to the boxing scene of any nation, I'd certainly be proud of him. Horses for courses though, it's a shame more aren't like him, as there's actually quite a few sound respectful, educated boxers in the game, it's just you expect the mouthy trash talk more out of some American fighters, for all its good and bad.

              Pavlik's got a great career ahead regardless, and is a great ambassador for the sport, but there's several others out there too.

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              • Steak
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                #8
                Originally posted by abadger
                This post was absolutely not intended as a diss on the USA, but I think the names you post highlight the main point of the article. The USA has always been the BEST at boxing, and of those names there is not a single one that is a lock for being the best in his division for the forseeable future, Dawson I'd say is the best, and Pavlik IF he stays in what is quite a weak MW divison. Williams MAYBE, Berto MAYBE, but I think Cotto will have something to say about it. Green, absolutely not in a world that contains Mikkel Kessler and lots of other good SMWs. Malignaggi is OK at best and Bradley has proven nothing.

                That was the point, American boxing used to DOMINATE, but it doesn't look like its going to be able to do the same in the very near future, at least not without looking a lot further past its borders than it has traditionally been used to.
                America never used to dominate, other than certain weight classes. go look at rankings throughout history, names like Leonard, Hagler, Ali etc will stick out, but in other weight classes there were plenty of champs that werent American.

                also, I think Green is fighting at Middleweight now actually, thats what his last fight was at. an American prospect at Super Middle is Dirrell, but it doesnt matter because Europeans have usually always owned that division for whatever reason. also throw in James Kirkland at Light Middle...not sure if hes going to be anything amazing, but thats a stale division anyway, and that kid is young and dangerous.

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                • ExecutiveOutlaw
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                  we breed the best atheletes but as long as boxing remains a niche sport in america, we wont be as dominant as we were in the past

                  what we need is a tyson or an ali that can bring it back into the mainstream,which would bring boxing more money, which would help attract more gifted athletes

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                  • The Wire
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                    Kelly Pavlik is great for boxing. He's exciting to watch, brings immense, unbelievable power, is white (sorry but this immediately makes more people watch), is articulate, respectful and polite and is undefeated. But he won't be great for boxing if he doesn't continue to go for the big fights. But he will so we've nothing to worry about lol

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