Lets compare Lazcano's and Mayweather's left Check Hooks

[Vladimir303]

No. I already have points with Burner and Raseed on it and don't want to risk anymore if Paulie actually does decide to get his **** together. I mean Paulie has all the tools (minus the power) to beat Hatton, but I don't think he has the mental game to stick to outboxing him.

How does he not have the mental game to stick and move when that's what he has been doing in 90% of his fights????

Either Hatton is good enough to spoil what Malignaggie is doing like Cotto or he isn't. I don't think he is. I don't think he will hit Malignaggie hard enough and give him problems breathing like Cotto either.

The Key to beating Hatton is pretty simple, good legs for movement and Paulie has it, even more then Floyd because that's what he relies on the most. Unlike Floyd, he only has one effective dimension to his game and that's "stick and move" all night, just as Cory Spinks or Sharmba Mitchell.

[Vladimir303]

Mayweather's resume is worth less if Hatton loses to PM. Agree or disargee?

I disagree for the simple reason that we all already knew that Hatton isn't this unbeatable pressure fighter. However, which ever fighter got to him first, giving him his first loss and knocking him off the P4P rankings deserves the most props. Floyd did that....the biggest criticism of Floyd was that he fought guys coming off losses (Zab judah, Sharmba MItchell) or that they weren't unbeaten and had alot of losses (Baldomir). This was a 2-division champion he gave the first loss to.

Uh huh. Not sure that this is directly relevant to the specific point that I was making. However good you think Hatton is/was, he doesn't look as good if he loses to someone like Malignaggi, who is a good but not great fighter.

That remains to be seen. Is Malignaggie retiring any time soon??? We don't know what kinda other things he will achieve in the remaining years of his career. Could go down as a 'great' jr.welterweight of his time.

He has only one loss to Cotto, so lets not jump to conclusions.

Well he was never at the top, I don't recall him ever being top 5. P4P rankings are opinion, not factual.

And no, statistics are not all that matter. Even if they were, you could still be selective regarding which ones you used when assessing the situation.

He was in the Top 10. All mythical P4P lists usually consist of the top 10, not 5, so it doesn't matter. He was one of the top fighters in the 140-147 range statistically. Stylistically, as far as skills - that's another issue. Some believed he had the skills (better then Castillo) and Floyd had to prove them wrong.

[warp1432]

How does he not have the mental game to stick and move when that's what he has been doing in 90% of his fights????

Either Hatton is good enough to spoil what Malignaggie is doing like Cotto or he isn't. I don't think he is. I don't think he will hit Malignaggie hard enough and give him problems breathing like Cotto either.

The Key to beating Hatton is pretty simple, good legs for movement and Paulie has it, even more then Floyd because that's what he relies on the most. Unlike Floyd, he only has one effective dimension to his game and that's "stick and move" all night, just as Cory Spinks or Sharmba Mitchell.

Because Hatton's pressure is a lot better then 90% of the other fighters. Key to beating Hatton is the left hook too, luckily for Hatton, paulie can't punch for ****.

[Vladimir303]

Because Hatton's pressure is a lot better then 90% of the other fighters. Key to beating Hatton is the left hook too, luckily for Hatton, paulie can't punch for ****.

Effective pressure yes. Cotto had effecive pressure....he didn't bullrush Malignaggie but he timed him well. So did N'Goudjo.

Ricky Hatton's pressure consists of bullrushing his opponents, clinching first and hitting second. If he does try to punch first, it's a wide shot that can be countered easy. I believe Malignaggie has enough counter punching skills and great enough footwork (which is his main tool, getting away from danger) to offset everything that Hatton is doing, walking away with 8 rounds in the bank at least.

[-Hyperion-]

lazcano threw it with no legs........it was an arm punch and it was not that well thrown.....lol hattons china-chin sucks...

[warp1432]

I don't know. Ricky used to have a little head movement and when he didn't just jump in. Compare his fight to Ben Tackie and then to Juan Lazcano. He looks totally different.

Also, I'm starting to sound like a Ricky nuthugger...I'm not even that big of a fan of his. I think he'll just win the fight.

[Winkyftw!]

As i said in my thread:

Hatton is going to be outboxed to a wide UD imo.
Hatton is an excellent fighter when he uses his jab. He backs fighters up and pounds away with vicious body shots. However when he stops jabbing he is a really average fighter. His hands drop, he gets frustrated, his left hook becomes realy telegraphed ( thus the quick counter left hooks that Mayweather and even lazcano landed), his head movement disappears, his footwork is sloppy ( he squares up and walks straigh in), he pretty much gets sloppy. So when you fight Hatton you need to stop him from jabbing. How have some of his opponents done this? Well there seems to be a couple ways that past hatton opponents have gone about doing this. The faster opponents uses lots of lateral and vertical movement, good head movement, and a fast flicking jab. Mayweather did this in round 9 and it set up the knockout. Another way is something Juan Urango did, which is to go to the body...
Back on topic, Paulie Mallignaggi has the perfect skills to nullify Hattons jab. His has MUCH faster hands, good head movment, extremly fast feet ( he is really quick with his vertical and lateral movement) and his left hook is quick. He also goes to the body pretty nicely, which is a plus in getting rid of Hattons jab.

I see Hatton being tough in the begining, but eventually Mallignaggi's jab and body work is going to get rid of Hattons jab, and is going to set up easy pot shots from about round 4 on. I see Mallinaggi winning about 7-9 rounds and winning a UD.

Paulies jab and movement squares Hatton up. His left hook becomes telegrammed because he drops the hand first. This sets up the check left hook. Anyone can land it. Slow fast. Power fighter or featherfisted fighter.

Paulies will land a bunch of em.

[-Hyperion-]

paulie wins 8 rounds and gets robbed is my pick for this fight.....then pacquiao will fight hatton, KO him and people will give him mad credit....

[Vladimir303]

I don't know. Ricky used to have a little head movement and when he didn't just jump in. Compare his fight to Ben Tackie and then to Juan Lazcano. He looks totally different.

Also, I'm starting to sound like a Ricky nuthugger...I'm not even that big of a fan of his. I think he'll just win the fight.

He is not even the same as in those fights. He had the mental edge of being a undefeated fighter in those days. He lost that mental edge. He already lost some of it against Collazo, running back down to 140 but had enough of it left because he still had the "0" on his loss column. Now he doesn't even have that.

Malignaggie sounds pretty confident to me. Not overconfident, he has learned from the Cotto fight. He is just right mentally, the Hair incident doesn't seem to have effected him.

[Brandish]

the biggest criticism of Floyd was that he fought guys coming off losses (Zab judah, Sharmba MItchell)

sharmba was coming off a 2 fight win streak