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  • #61
    Originally posted by KrisSilver View Post
    There lies the fundamental issue. You have one real chip in your shoulder kid, with it a blindness to the outside world.

    You mention Lennox is good, how is Calzaghe being over hyped based on the records? He's not faced quite as top opposition, but he's also never lost and beaten some powerful top guys out of his prime, in the last few years. The British are behind Hatton in theyre droves whom is good, but not behind Calzaghe as much whom is better.

    You like some idiots, love to claim America's best at all sports, you hilariously like to ignore a fundamental aspect of comparing, which is POPULATION ratio. That's right, it's like GDP if you will. Of course you have MORE top level athletes in the sports you choose to play in you idiot, you have more ppl. Your 1/20th of the world population. Even counting 3rd world countries and others not in a position to produce many athletes, you should have at least 1/20th of the worlds top athletes. Not counting 3rd world countries and others not able to produce athletes, is probably more like 1/18th.

    You have even now, pretty much the most to invest, spend on sports, resources. Fact is other countries are more than competitive with you. Even the sports you don't recognise as much like Soccer, Rugby and more, you have many more being trained than many other countries yet you don't compete highly. So you actually with the best resources, train the most people, yet often don't produce 1/17th of the worlds top athletes in many sports. The irony is given some basic understanding of comparing such basic things, your so way of the mark your almost underlining your failing in many sports to even level, let alone beat other countries.

    The UK has the p4p#3 in Calzaghe, and until recently #8 in Hatton whom is still top 20 like Haye. Calzaghes top of 2 weight divisions, unbeaten. Hatton only beaten by the p4p number one, and top of his division. David Haye is top of the Cruiser weights, a HW win and likely to climb the ranks highter than the USA there too. Enzo Mac also top 10 in CW division. Clinton Woods no. 8 in the LHW division. Carl Froch no. 6 in the SMW division, regarded by some as 2nd or 3rd only to Calzaghe or Kessler. Junior Witter no. 3, Gavin Rees no.5 in Jr WW division. Amir Khan 7th in the LW division. Nicky Cook no. 7 in the FWs.

    List goe's on dude. And all are over rated? Fact is a country 1/6th the population size of the USA, the UK competes very closely with the USA. All your arrogant stuff proves is your own blissful ignorance, and bias of US fighters. abadger and others already presented facts elsewhere to expose you posts as utter rubbish, this is another. Go home you've lost.



    ^^says it all.

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    • #62
      All of you are ******ed.

      Originally posted by abadger View Post
      I post in all kinds of threads, but Calzaghe is my favourite fighter. If others don't like him its cool, but when people post ignorant things like "Pavlik KO Calzaghe", I do tend to respond. Fair enough, I think.
      This is such a toss up fight, why can't the Calzaghe haters and ****s realize that. Calzaghe would probably be favored but it is all open. Joe is slicker, faster and brilliant at adjusting during the fight. They said Lacy would beat him and Kessler would be too strong. He proved them wrong. HOW-THE-****-EVER, Pavlik is younger, stronger, will not back up. They said he couldn't beat Miranda or Taylor. Both had never been knocked out, like Joe, and had "granite chins" --- and Pavlik knocked them out. This one is a borderline toss up boys. I don't care whose **** you suck.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by seebert View Post
        This is such a toss up fight, why can't the Calzaghe haters and ****s realize that. Calzaghe would probably be favored but it is all open. Joe is slicker, faster and brilliant at adjusting during the fight. They said Lacy would beat him and Kessler would be too strong. He proved them wrong. HOW-THE-****-EVER, Pavlik is younger, stronger, will not back up. They said he couldn't beat Miranda or Taylor. Both had never been knocked out, like Joe, and had "granite chins" --- and Pavlik knocked them out. This one is a borderline toss up boys. I don't care whose **** you suck.
        See what you're doing there?

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        • #64
          Originally posted by abadger View Post
          See what you're doing there?
          What's that? I am trying point out that they both have proved the critics wrong, time after time. What are you twisting that simple point into?

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          • #65
            Originally posted by seebert View Post
            What's that? I am trying point out that they both have proved the critics wrong, time after time. What are you twisting that simple point into?
            I was trying to point out that you use the exact same reasons for Pavlik to beat Joe as everyone did about Lacy and Kessler. I give Kelly a chance for sure, but on paper this is no "toss up" Kelly is 25, with three good wins over Miranda and Taylor x 2, and has been champ for a pretty short time. Joe has been beating guys like Miranda and Taylor since 1997, never lost, two weight champ, ten year reign and in Eubank, Hopkins, Kessler beaten better fighters than Kelly is or has. It might turn out that Kelly wins, he might be the new superstar, but stylistically and on paper Joe has to be a massive favourite.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by luv3s2sp00g3 View Post
              I'm not even a Calzaghe fan, but frankly you just don't know **** about boxing if you think Pavlik can win.
              Pavlik's got alot of heart. In boxing, that often counts for more than speed, talent, skill, etc. I think Calzaghe has a good probability of winning, but I'd give Pavlik no worse than 1.5 / 1 odds. Sports odds makers will have it higher, but I think Pavlik has an even better chance of beating Calzaghe than Roy Jones. Pavlik is relentless, refuses to quit, has an OK chin, and is always ready for 12. And while I don't feel he's the most skilled SM, he's definitely skilled enough to stand up to Calzaghe. He'll take alot of shots, but I think he'll land plenty of his own, especially lefts to the body, and will probably lose by decision, but certainly nothing embarrassing. Probably even close enough to see a rematch after Calzaghe beats Jones, if he doesn't retire.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Stickman View Post
                Pavlik's got alot of heart. In boxing, that often counts for more than speed, talent, skill, etc. I think Calzaghe has a good probability of winning, but I'd give Pavlik no worse than 1.5 / 1 odds. Sports odds makers will have it higher, but I think Pavlik has an even better chance of beating Calzaghe than Roy Jones. Pavlik is relentless, refuses to quit, has an OK chin, and is always ready for 12. And while I don't feel he's the most skilled SM, he's definitely skilled enough to stand up to Calzaghe. He'll take alot of shots, but I think he'll land plenty of his own, especially lefts to the body, and will probably lose by decision, but certainly nothing embarrassing. Probably even close enough to see a rematch after Calzaghe beats Jones, if he doesn't retire.
                See argument RE: Jeff Lacy/ Mikkel Kessler over Joe Calzaghe.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Stickman View Post
                  Pavlik's got alot of heart. In boxing, that often counts for more than speed, talent, skill, etc. I think Calzaghe has a good probability of winning, but I'd give Pavlik no worse than 1.5 / 1 odds. Sports odds makers will have it higher, but I think Pavlik has an even better chance of beating Calzaghe than Roy Jones. Pavlik is relentless, refuses to quit, has an OK chin, and is always ready for 12. And while I don't feel he's the most skilled SM, he's definitely skilled enough to stand up to Calzaghe. He'll take alot of shots, but I think he'll land plenty of his own, especially lefts to the body, and will probably lose by decision, but certainly nothing embarrassing. Probably even close enough to see a rematch after Calzaghe beats Jones, if he doesn't retire.
                  Calzaghe has a massive heart, he's over come some major stuff in the ring, including being knocked down, major hard shots, being under dog, losing, finding a way to adapt, win, hurting his hands/elbow to the point he cant use one side much, or hit hard. He's also relentless, on paper more so than Pavlik given history.

                  Joe also has a very tough chin, so I almost find that one more another reason for him winning. Pavliks unlikely to be much more powerful than Kessler, of whom Calzaghe took hard shots from fine. Pavlik having a decent chin won't help him much, as to be honest Calzaghe wouldn't test it much anyway.

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                  • #69
                    It's almost embarrassing to see you grown "adults" argueing over which fighter from which country is better, what country has the best fighters. Next you're going to start trying to decide which is prettier, then it'll be on to measuring ****s.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by abadger View Post
                      I was trying to point out that you use the exact same reasons for Pavlik to beat Joe as everyone did about Lacy and Kessler. I give Kelly a chance for sure, but on paper this is no "toss up" Kelly is 25, with three good wins over Miranda and Taylor x 2, and has been champ for a pretty short time. Joe has been beating guys like Miranda and Taylor since 1997, never lost, two weight champ, ten year reign and in Eubank, Hopkins, Kessler beaten better fighters than Kelly is or has. It might turn out that Kelly wins, he might be the new superstar, but stylistically and on paper Joe has to be a massive favourite.
                      "Massive" is a strong word. Have you forgotten that Taylor beat Hopkins twice? I am not disagreeing with Calzaghe's skill and experience but just like what I am saying about Kelly was said about Kessler/Lacy, what you are saying about Calzaghe was said about Miranda and Taylor. No doubt Joe has beaten more top guys. Personally, I'd put my money on a Calzaghe UD, though I would like to see Pav win. If I had to bet my money, it would be on Calzaghe, though I'd like to see Pavlik win and be a 3 division champ. However, it is definitely a possibility that Pavlik could win. I really expected Calzaghe to blow BHop out and I think I lost a little confidence in him dominating anyone, which at one point I believe.

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