Kelly Pavlik Speaks on Possibly Fighting Joe Calzaghe

[abadger]

It's almost embarrassing to see you grown "adults" argueing over which fighter from which country is better, what country has the best fighters. Next you're going to start trying to decide which is prettier, then it'll be on to measuring ****s.

What? We were arguing with posts made by you! You had Pavlik I recall, and were arguing he has a good chance to beat Joe?

Now you don't want to play anymore, so suddenly you affect superiority?

LMAO

[Stickman]

Calzaghe has a massive heart, he's over come some major stuff in the ring, including being knocked down, major hard shots, being under dog, losing, finding a way to adapt, win, hurting his hands/elbow to the point he cant use one side much, or hit hard. He's also relentless, on paper more so than Pavlik given history.

Joe also has a very tough chin, so I almost find that one more another reason for him winning. Pavliks unlikely to be much more powerful than Kessler, of whom Calzaghe took hard shots from fine. Pavlik having a decent chin won't help him much, as to be honest Calzaghe wouldn't test it much anyway.

Calzaghe might test it more than you think. He's had a few fights where he hasn't hurt his hands, and he might decide to **** a little against another super middle. Whether anyone wants to admit or agree with it, Calzaghe can **** when he wants to, and used to be a decent KO artist. Not devastating one-punch KO power, but enough to badly stun and drop easily. He certainly has the power to hurt Pavlik, or anyone else in the division.

[Stickman]

What? We were arguing with posts made by you! You had Pavlik I recall, and were arguing he has a good chance to beat Joe?

Now you don't want to play anymore, so suddenly you affect superiority?

LMAO

He has a good chance (not 50/50), but that opinion has nothing to do with his country of origin. I'm basing that on what he does in the ring, not where he hangs his hat. That's my point.

[abadger]

He has a good chance (not 50/50), but that opinion has nothing to do with his country of origin. I'm basing that on what he does in the ring, not where he hangs his hat. That's my point.

Of course it has nothing to do with his country of origin. Who said it did? The opinions of posters here do seem to have a lot to do with their country of origin though, mostly Americans who say things like "Pavlik KO Calzaghe".

[Stickman]

Calzaghe has a massive heart, he's over come some major stuff in the ring, including being knocked down, major hard shots, being under dog, losing, finding a way to adapt, win, hurting his hands/elbow to the point he cant use one side much, or hit hard. He's also relentless, on paper more so than Pavlik given history.

Joe also has a very tough chin, so I almost find that one more another reason for him winning. Pavliks unlikely to be much more powerful than Kessler, of whom Calzaghe took hard shots from fine. Pavlik having a decent chin won't help him much, as to be honest Calzaghe wouldn't test it much anyway.

Which is why I'm still picking Calzaghe, just saying that Pavlik has a better chance than anyone else in the world of beating Joe. Still not a 50/50 chance, but better than anyone else.

[abadger]

"Massive" is a strong word. Have you forgotten that Taylor beat Hopkins twice? I am not disagreeing with Calzaghe's skill and experience but just like what I am saying about Kelly was said about Kessler/Lacy, what you are saying about Calzaghe was said about Miranda and Taylor. No doubt Joe has beaten more top guys. Personally, I'd put my money on a Calzaghe UD, though I would like to see Pav win. If I had to bet my money, it would be on Calzaghe, though I'd like to see Pavlik win and be a 3 division champ. However, it is definitely a possibility that Pavlik could win. I really expected Calzaghe to blow BHop out and I think I lost a little confidence in him dominating anyone, which at one point I believe.

I agree 100% that Pavlik has a chance to win, he hits hard and might match Joe for workrate. I don't really rate the size of that chance very highly though, for the reasons I've already explained.

[Stickman]

So you are saying that Kelly Pavlik is DEFINITELY a harder puncher than Lacy and Kessler? How do you know? I thought Lacy was some sort of human wrecking ball in terms of power? Have you seen Kessler's KO rate? Ever notice that Kessler is a masive SMW and Kelly a big MW? Do you factor any facts in at all?

If he said that (haven't read the entire thread yet), then my fellow Missourian is just plain wrong. He might be comparable to Lacy, or close, at least, but Kessler is very heavy handed for his size. Pavlik's power is based on the fact that all his punches are made to hurt, but he doesn't have the one punch power that Kessler does. Can't really think of another SM that does, right now, though I'm sure there are a couple.

[seebert]

I agree 100% that Pavlik has a chance to win, he hits hard and might match Joe for workrate. I don't really rate the size of that chance very highly though, for the reasons I've already explained.

Fair enough. Relative to what goes on on this post, we basically agree.

[fightingfigs]

If Calzaghe wouldve gave B-Hop the Lacy treatment it would be safe to say that he would beat Pavlik easily.

Pavlik has great power and knockout ability, I think alot of the Calzaghe fans are underestimating him. Taylor was a BUSY fighter and still Kelly was able to take it to him. Calzaghe didnt show me the same busyness in the B-Hop fight as he usually does in most of his fights.

It could go either way but we have to remember now Kelly has to move up in weight and Calzaghe has to go back down.

This will be a great fight im excited to see what happens after this weekend

[Kris Silver]

If Calzaghe wouldve gave B-Hop the Lacy treatment it would be safe to say that he would beat Pavlik easily.

Pavlik has great power and knockout ability, I think alot of the Calzaghe fans are underestimating him. Taylor was a BUSY fighter and still Kelly was able to take it to him. Calzaghe didnt show me the same busyness in the B-Hop fight as he usually does in most of his fights.

It could go either way but we have to remember now Kelly has to move up in weight and Calzaghe has to go back down.

This will be a great fight im excited to see what happens after this weekend

He didn't do to Hops what he did to Lacy, or perform in the same way, because they're completely different fighters dude. Like comparing chalk with brie. A much more accurate comparison ppl have been going off is Kessler.