A question...

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

Everybody here who says Calzaghe's resume is ****, do me this one thing and try and answer this question.

At the time, who else could he have fought? What other "big names" were there who he hadn't already approached and been turned down by?

Just so we don't get confused, he approached, and was turned down by, RJJ, Hopkins and Johnson. (Actually, he agreed to fight Johnson at LHW a few times, but this was when he was suffering terribly from hand injuries and the fights had to be postponed, in the end I think Johnson's people had just had enough, and TBH I don't blame them)

So people, what are the big names that Calzaghe could have fought for his resume to live up to your stellar standards?

[KnockoutTheFat]

Tye Fields. End of discussion.

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

Tye Fields. End of discussion.

Tye Fields Murder1 Joe Calzaghe

[IMDAZED]

Everybody here who says Calzaghe's resume is ****, do me this one thing and try and answer this question.

At the time, who else could he have fought? What other "big names" were there who he hadn't already approached and been turned down by?

Just so we don't get confused, he approached, and was turned down by, RJJ, Hopkins and Johnson. (Actually, he agreed to fight Johnson at LHW a few times, but this was when he was suffering terribly from hand injuries and the fights had to be postponed, in the end I think Johnson's people had just had enough, and TBH I don't blame them)

So people, what are the big names that Calzaghe could have fought for his resume to live up to your stellar standards?

OK.

You seem like you want to have a serious discussion so I'll take the bait. I'm kinda new so maybe I don't know better.

But what did Calzaghe offer Jones and when did he turn it down?

[abadger]

The only three serious answers to this question if we are talking about real resume making names, rather than just "this decent guy is better than that decent guy" are Glen Johnson, Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones.

Of these three the only one who was ever a peer of Calzaghe at SMW is Glen Johnson, and he was a losing fighter at the time with six losses out of eleven fights at SMW, inclusing a loss to Omar Sheika, a guy usually described as a bum on here. Johnson only made his name with his later LHW wins, by which time Calzaghe was on the Lacy and Kessler track, the two prime champs he would surely have been accused of ducking if he'd move up to fight Johnson.

Jones had already finished his SMW campaign and moved up to LHW before Calzaghe won his first title. It would have been nice if they had fought some time, but each had very different priorities, Jones pursuing the HW crown and Calzaghe defending and unifying SMW. A fight was never genuinely on the cards until Roy returned from HW, and we know what happened there. he should probably be glad he didn't fight Calzaghe then! No denying Calzaghe's record would be better with Jones on it though, win or lose.

Hopkins would have been a good name too, and did price himself out of a fight in 2001, which would have been the prime for prime fight everyone here talks about so much. It is unfair to criticise Joe alone for not making this fight happen, as there are clearly two sides to this story, and the fight has happened now anyway, maybe later than it should have, but Hopkins was the best LHW in the world at the time so Joe deserves the credit for beating him in his first fight at a new weight.

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

OK.

You seem like you want to have a serious discussion so I'll take the bait. I'm kinda new so maybe I don't know better.

But what did Calzaghe offer Jones and when did he turn it down?

I'm not sure of the exact offer, but Roy himself said there was no need for him to take a dangerous fight against an unknown opponent because nobody will care.

I'm not saying Roy ducked Joe, but he admitted himself he didn't want to take a dangerous fight against an unknown. Joe was too big a risk with too little reward.

I'm being deadly serious with this thread too, I would genuinely like to know who Joe could have fought for his resume to be as good as most people think it has to be for you to be a great fighter.

Apart from Ottke, who was also appraoched and wanted NOTHING to do with it, I struggle to think of any big name guys he didn't fight.

[Live Dog]

Everybody here who says Calzaghe's resume is ****, do me this one thing and try and answer this question.

At the time, who else could he have fought? What other "big names" were there who he hadn't already approached and been turned down by?

Just so we don't get confused, he approached, and was turned down by, RJJ, Hopkins and Johnson. (Actually, he agreed to fight Johnson at LHW a few times, but this was when he was suffering terribly from hand injuries and the fights had to be postponed, in the end I think Johnson's people had just had enough, and TBH I don't blame them)

So people, what are the big names that Calzaghe could have fought for his resume to live up to your stellar standards?

Look you're not going to get a straight answer to this either way. Cal fans will back him up and Cal detractors will tear him down. The thing that has saved Calzaghe in my book is that 3 of his last 4 fights were against the best opponents he could have faced.

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

Look you're not going to get a straight answer to this either way. Cal fans will back him up and Cal detractors will tear him down. The thing that has saved Calzaghe in my book is that 3 of his last 4 fights were against the best opponents he could have faced.

I can see what you're saying, but notice how the detractors haven't started turning this into another "Calzaghe's career is a joke" thread.

I think it's because, rather than just stating that he built his career on bums, they have to name people who, at the time, were better.

I think this thread has served it's purpose in all honesty.

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

Nobody?

Surely somebody has an idea?

[bsrizpac]

Everybody here who says Calzaghe's resume is ****, do me this one thing and try and answer this question.

At the time, who else could he have fought? What other "big names" were there who he hadn't already approached and been turned down by?

Just so we don't get confused, he approached, and was turned down by, RJJ, Hopkins and Johnson. (Actually, he agreed to fight Johnson at LHW a few times, but this was when he was suffering terribly from hand injuries and the fights had to be postponed, in the end I think Johnson's people had just had enough, and TBH I don't blame them)

So people, what are the big names that Calzaghe could have fought for his resume to live up to your stellar standards?

This is why you fail. Get off his knob.

I like how you posted that he was TURNED down by johnson then immediately post about how he basically walked away from the Johnson fight cause of his injuries.

Could you pretend to be more objective when making these?

And this question has been asked about a dozen times already.