Boxing Myths 2.....

[Left Hook Tua]

Well um....long before communism....Joe Louis, the 1st truly dominant American heavyweight champ did get ktfo by Max Schmelling. A european

he wasn't champ yet.

[shadeyfizzle]

he wasn't champ yet.

It was a title eliminator. Only reason Louis ever saw the belt was his manager paid off braddock to give Louis a title shot instead of Schmelling.

If he hadnt Schmelling would have ran back to **** germany with the heavyweight belt and never gave Louis a rematch. and boxing and american history would be very different than what it is today

[Left Hook Tua]

It was a title eliminator. Only reason Louis ever saw the belt was his manager paid off braddock to give Louis a title shot instead of Schmelling.

If he hadnt Schmelling would have ran back to **** germany with the heavyweight belt and never gave Louis a rematch. and boxing and american history would be very different than what it is today

what does that have to do with europeans not dominating the amateurs though?

[ALT-Assassin]

It was a title eliminator. Only reason Louis ever saw the belt was his manager paid off braddock to give Louis a title shot instead of Schmelling.

If he hadnt Schmelling would have ran back to **** germany with the heavyweight belt and never gave Louis a rematch. and boxing and american history would be very different than what it is today

He gave a rematch to Schmelling after losing by a devastating knockout.That takes some guts.

[Steak]

Eastern Europe spent several decades under a communist system, and so they didn't have any professional boxers during the 70s or 80s.

yea, but their best fighters were still fighting in the amateurs, right? George Foreman, Ali, and Frazier all got gold medals, which means they were better than the best Soviet fighters before they even turned pro.
hell, Foreman even knocked out a Russian to win his gold, didnt he?

[shadeyfizzle]

He gave a rematch to Schmelling after losing by a devastating knockout.That takes some guts.

Yes it does...but we're getting away from the topic.

Point is...I dislike the european heavyweights as much as the next guy. But they have produced some fine fighters, and even before communism....Joe Louis, the 1st truly dominant American heavyweight champ got ktfo by a european fighter. So who knows really if there would have been any european heavyweights between the 50s and 80s that would have been able to compete with the likes of patterson, liston, ali, frazier.

[ALT-Assassin]

Yes it does...but we're getting away from the topic.

Point is...I dislike the european heavyweights as much as the next guy. But they have produced some fine fighters, and even before communism....Joe Louis, the 1st truly dominant American heavyweight champ got ktfo by a european fighter. So who knows really if there would have been any european heavyweights between the 50s and 80s that would have been able to compete with the likes of patterson, liston, ali, frazier.

Good points.Ingomar Johanson is another European fighter who knocked out a great American heavyweight,Floyd Patterson.

[Left Hook Tua]

Good points.Ingomar Johanson is another European fighter who knocked out a great American heavyweight,Floyd Patterson.

you guys are way off course.

that comment was based on a comment that eastern europeans would have dominated if it wasn't for communism.

the other guy asked if they were so good why didn't they dominate in the amateurs?

schmelling is german and ingemar is swedish. neither is eastern european. neither was affected by communism.

[ALT-Assassin]

you guys are way off course.

that comment was based on a comment that eastern europeans would have dominated if it wasn't for communism.

the other guy asked if they were so good why didn't they dominate in the amateurs?

schmelling is german and ingemar is swedish. neither is eastern european. neither was affected by communism.

Did I say Eastern European when referring to Ingemar?

[Flawless.]

1904 – Samuel Berger (USA)
1908 – Albert Oldman (GBR)
1920 – Ronald Rawson (GBR)
1924 – Otto von Porat (NOR)
1928 – Arturo Rodríguez (ARG)
1932 – Santiago Lovell (ARG)
1936 – Herbert Runge (GER)
1948 – Rafael Iglesias (ARG)
1952 – Ed Sanders (USA)
1956 – Pete Rademacher (USA)
1960 – Franco De Piccoli (ITA)
1964 – Joe Frazier (USA)
1968 – George Foreman (USA)
1972 – Teófilo Stevenson (CUB)
1976 – Teófilo Stevenson (CUB)
1980 – Teófilo Stevenson (CUB)
1984 – Henry Tillman (USA)
1988 – Ray Mercer (USA)
1992 – Félix Savón (CUB)
1996 – Félix Savón (CUB)
2000 – Félix Savón (CUB)
2004 – Odlanier Solis Fonte (CUB)
2008 – Rakhim Chakhkiev (RUS)




Only one Eastern European won a gold medal but if Cuba was allow to box professionally it would be a different story