Watching Wladimir Klitschko box...

[Steak]

I think wlad would've had a chance like anyone else. And certainly a way better chance than some of the stiffs Ali had to fight in his prime. Remember , eatsern euros , but more precisely all soviets were banned from participating back then. (just like cubans). The HW scene would've been way different if it wasn't for this ridiculous situation they had to deal with back then.

I'd say Wald , with his size , reach , power and skills would have a reasonable chance to beat a prime Ali...I'm not saying it would be a sure bet or anything.
But i'd give him a logical 50/50 chance on his side.

If the frail Henry Cooper was able to almost KO ali (ali , the guy who wouldn't go down vs Foreman and yet almost got owned by a thin brit)...then a big , skilled Ukrainian (yes , he's a got a ****ty chin but still) , also has decent chances on his side.

Ali's corner were forced to come up with a bull**** excuse to save his ass and give him some time to recuperate..that's the reason why he still won the ****ing fight against Cooper.



I'm the one who's saying this and yet , i don't even give a **** about today's division not about wlad. (i find him rather boring) but i'm being realistic. Ali to me is a human being. Not a god. A "legend" yes , but in an era in which he never had to deal with the rest of the world. His competition was for the most part against 90 if not , 95% americans.

it's easy to label someone a "champ" of the world if you concider the world to be solely limited to the united states.

What is up with people saying that? Yes, Russians couldnt go pro, BECAUSE THEY WERE FORCED TO FIGHT AS AMATEURS. That means, that when George Foreman won a Gold Medal in the Olympics(The collection of the best amateur boxers in the world), he was already fighting the best Russia had to offer at the time. If he beat those much older and more experienced Russians then, why dont you think he could have beaten them later on in his pro career, when he was getting better and better?

please, someone explain this to me. I mean, Foreman beat a Soviet to win his gold medal. If all the best Soviet boxers were in the amateurs...??

[ben41193]

yeah no question about it
you're one of the few that knows something about boxing in here

Im with you guys as well, HE had below average skills when someone was able to touch him with a jab

[Stickman]

Are you kidding me? "Wladimir Klitschko" should never be compared to the G.O.A.T Muhammad Ali. Wlad wouldn't have a chance vs ali in hes prime, wlad wouldn't find nothing to hit with hes slow footwork and super slow hands, all hes got is power and height other fighter's fear hes power to much and him being a giant, you guys are delusional.

Super slow hands? Do you even watch boxing? Klitchko has VERY quick hands for his size.

[Naps]

I can't wait to see Haye ram his 12 inch **** up Wlads **** passage.

[Stickman]

Additionally, I think that Lewis (if he jabbed) and both Klitchkos would've probably had a very good chance of stopping Clay. He had problems against taller guys, period, and even bigger problems with guys who threw lots of jabs. I'd give Ali about a 40% chance early in his career, when he was in good shape, of taking a close decision against any of the three. If the fight were to have taken place when he was 30, he'd have probably been KO'd by the 9th or 10th.

Incidentally, I'd make Lewis the greatest favorite to win by dramatic KO. He was always good at finding a way to land a big'un. Great timing, I suppose.

As far as the Klitchkos are concerned, either could probably beat a 30 year old Clay into a bloody mess by the 10th, in my opinion. Ali simply didn't have the power to KO either Klitchko without taking them late, wearing them down and putting a few in the perfect spot. His chance to win would've been only by decision, and the problem with that is that both Klitchkos are way busier than Ali ever was. You could probably count the rounds that BOTH brothers have lost in their entire pro careers, combined, on the fingers of 1 hand, and have a little change.

Anyway, that's my opinion. I said as much a few years ago, when Wlad was expected to drop out of boxing after his humiliations in the ring. Most thought I was bat**** crazy at the time.

[duffgun]

What is up with people saying that? Yes, Russians couldnt go pro, BECAUSE THEY WERE FORCED TO FIGHT AS AMATEURS. That means, that when George Foreman won a Gold Medal in the Olympics(The collection of the best amateur boxers in the world), he was already fighting the best Russia had to offer at the time. If he beat those much older and more experienced Russians then, why dont you think he could have beaten them later on in his pro career, when he was getting better and better?

please, someone explain this to me. I mean, Foreman beat a Soviet to win his gold medal. If all the best Soviet boxers were in the amateurs...??

Yeah thats what i think the best american heavyweights won olympic gold's anyway against those eastern euros, imo if they had been alowed in the pro ranks they probably would not have won the title, Patterson, Ali, Foreman, Spinks had all one Olympic Golds.

[Stickman]

I can't wait to see Haye ram his 12 inch **** up Wlads **** passage.

Said this before, and I'll say it again: Haye, while not bad as a cruiser contender, and an OK prospect as a heavyweight, just ain't got the tools right now to do more than get knocked on his shorts if he gets into the ring with Klitchko. He fights low, doesn't come in behind his jab, and is just too hittable. If that kid is serious about wanting a match with Klitchko, he'd better get busy on his homework. And he might wanna get maybe half a dozen tune-ups behind him, too.

[!! Shawn]

he's one of a kind
if he boxed in Ali's era, I'd put my money on him
after all, Ali was nothing more than average against strong jabbers...

Sonny Liston... Oh wait...

[j]

Additionally, I think that Lewis (if he jabbed) and both Klitchkos would've probably had a very good chance of stopping Clay. He had problems against taller guys, period, and even bigger problems with guys who threw lots of jabs. I'd give Ali about a 40% chance early in his career, when he was in good shape, of taking a close decision against any of the three. If the fight were to have taken place when he was 30, he'd have probably been KO'd by the 9th or 10th.

Incidentally, I'd make Lewis the greatest favorite to win by dramatic KO. He was always good at finding a way to land a big'un. Great timing, I suppose.

As far as the Klitchkos are concerned, either could probably beat a 30 year old Clay into a bloody mess by the 10th, in my opinion. Ali simply didn't have the power to KO either Klitchko without taking them late, wearing them down and putting a few in the perfect spot. His chance to win would've been only by decision, and the problem with that is that both Klitchkos are way busier than Ali ever was. You could probably count the rounds that BOTH brothers have lost in their entire pro careers, combined, on the fingers of 1 hand, and have a little change.

Anyway, that's my opinion. I said as much a few years ago, when Wlad was expected to drop out of boxing after his humiliations in the ring. Most thought I was bat**** crazy at the time.

i mostly agree with u. when i am completely neutral, which is mostly all the time, i can say without a doubt that guys like lewis, wladimir and vitali, would be more than trouble to ali.

what i see, is that a lot of people love ali because of his loud personality. and that ali does have a great record, that puts him over the top. but i have to be completely neutral when it comes to who i thin can win fights like these.

i have probably a dozen ali fights on tape, and have seen many more. so i know what he can do. personally, ll, vk, and wk would beat his ass if they really felt like they had too. all three have at least a good jab, left hook, and powerful right. all three are big, big boys who are coordinated. they are not lumbering skilless guys who can't fight. and all three have pretty damn good ring smarts. people shouldn't just look at the foreman or liston fight and judge that outcome by comparing them to ll or vk.

u would put your money on lewis out of them, i would put it on vitali. not so different of a view.

[Stickman]

i mostly agree with u. when i am completely neutral, which is mostly all the time, i can say without a doubt that guys like lewis, wladimir and vitali, would be more than trouble to ali.

what i see, is that a lot of people love ali because of his loud personality. and that ali does have a great record, that puts him over the top. but i have to be completely neutral when it comes to who i thin can win fights like these.

i have probably a dozen ali fights on tape, and have seen many more. so i know what he can do. personally, ll, vk, and wk would beat his ass if they really felt like they had too. all three have at least a good jab, left hook, and powerful right. all three are big, big boys who are coordinated. they are not lumbering skilless guys who can't fight. and all three have pretty damn good ring smarts. people shouldn't just look at the foreman or liston fight and judge that outcome by comparing them to ll or vk.

u would put your money on lewis out of them, i would put it on vitali. not so different of a view.

Styles make fights, as they say, and the only reason I'd put my money on Lewis is because of his ability to either find, or make the holes to land his big'un. Everybody knows how difficult Ali was to put leather on.

Vitali, in my opinion, has more heart and a stronger will than his brother and Lewis combined, and if he weren't prone to cuts (Ali had a beautiful, stinging jab that rarely missed it's mark and was well known for opening gashes), or were just a tad more accurate a puncher, I'd give him the best odds of anyone to take Ali out. I still think he'd beat Ali, in all liklihood, just because he's more active than Ali ever was, and because you just about have to kill him to beat him (look at his face after the Lewis fight, and he was still ahead on all cards and wanted to keep fighting.....and I don't want anyone to start talking **** about the Byrd fight until you've torn a rotator cuff and managed to finish a fight with it), it's just that I'd give Lewis even better odds because of the style matchup.