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  • THe TRiNiTY
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    ..Has AMIR KHAN Been (Over) Protected?...

    One of the major criticisms of Amir Khan's is that he has a soft chin. That may be true. However, I've never really put much into that. For one, you can have a weak chin and still do fairly well in this sport. And second of all, it doesn't matter how many times you get knocked down, as long as you're winning fights.

    The OTHER major criticism of Amir's is the fighters he'd fought, and how fast/slow he's being moved. People demand him to step up, ALREADY. What they fail to realize, are things like this.....

    At 17 fights, in terms of the overall record of his opponents at the time of fighting him, he stacks up pretty well against a lot of fighters.

    Over Records: (At 17 fights)
    Amir Khan: 288-118-17
    Julio Cesar Chavez: 18-39-3
    Ricky Hatton: 173-291-42
    Naseem Hamed: 303-251-46
    Floyd Mayweather Jr.: 213-106-14

    Now, a lot of things stand out to me when I look at that list. For one, Hatton and Chavez (people who have a brawling style out of the list) started out fighting bums, and had a losing body of work up to 17 fights. I also notice Khan's 'opponents' best resemble Floyd Mayweathers, than anyone else on that list.

    This isn't to say that Hatton is as good at Chavez, I just noticed it. It's also not to say Khan will become as good as Mayweather, I just noticed it. My point is that he's not being moved at slower of a pace than the majority of fighters. He just happens to get the bigger push that most fighters wish for.

    I know it has a lot to do with the fact that people will hate ANYTHING/ANYONE that someone tries to jam down their throats. The problem is that you should hate the pusher, not who's getting pushed.

    Also, what that list doesn't show you is that he stopped fighting fighters with losing records after his fourth fight.

    Mayweather? Nineth.

    Hatton? Fourteenth.

    Hamed? Tenth.

    Chavez? At 17 fights, was still fighting straight out bums. Though, at twelve fights, he stopped fighting people with losing records, they also didn't have winning records. 13 was sitting at 5-1-0. 14, 15, 16, and 17 were all making 'debuts'.

    Does this tell you they had the same level of fighters? No, it doesn't. But none of these fighters was really in there with a GREAT champion by this point. And rightfully so. Expect Mayweather, I doubt any were ready. And including Mayweather, none were deserving.

    Does this tell you how good the kid is going to be? Absolutely not. Maybe his chin really is horrible. Maybe not. My point is, from what he's done and how he compares so far, it's still too early to judge him the way a lot of his 'haters' seem to do.
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  • BetterCallSaul
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    #2
    It tells me that Amir Khan is a good fighter, who has the neccesary skills to make it all the way.

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    • Sealhound
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      are they wins/losses etc in total for all the opponents? I think Khan is doing ok except Warren keeps finding him blown up featherweights to fight and considering Khan is soding massive its a bit much. I think his chin has been protected in that sense and Warren will have to really gamble at some point. Khan will be a great fighter though, really sharp great technique.

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      • sparked_85
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        #4
        He's fought good guys, they just couldn't punch as of yet.

        I think Khan is a beast though.

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        • THe TRiNiTY
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          #5
          Originally posted by Sealhound
          are they wins/losses etc in total for all the opponents? I think Khan is doing ok except Warren keeps finding him blown up featherweights to fight and considering Khan is soding massive its a bit much. I think his chin has been protected in that sense and Warren will have to really gamble at some point. Khan will be a great fighter though, really sharp great technique.
          No, just up to the other fighters 17th pro fight. To fairly compare the fighters.

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          • majestiC
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            Fair play, good post but choosing Gomez was a bit of a joke hopefully he will be fighting Romanov then Cambell next...hes certainly got the skills and the trainer change was definatly the right idea hopefully he will work with the Mayweathers.

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              Originally posted by majestiC
              Fair play, good post but choosing Gomez was a bit of a joke hopefully he will be fighting Romanov then Cambell next...hes certainly got the skills and the trainer change was definatly the right idea hopefully he will work with the Mayweathers.
              Gomez might not be the best choice, but Campbell does seem to be on the horizon, so why risk that now? At the same time, getting in the rounds and making SURE he's TRULY ready is never a bad thing.

              The change could be the biggest thing to happen to his career, even if you count any of his 17 wins. Whoever it is, I hope they don't try to outright change him. Just add to his already effective game.

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              • OptimusWolf
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                Very good post C-drone, cheers for the arithmetic.

                Using the traffic light system I'd give Khan a green for progress so far (I really enjoy his fights and I can see improvement, even in his defence).

                However I'd give him an amber for recent and projected future fights. Kristjansen was a backwards step and gomez is another, or a sideways step at best. I'll reserve judgement but I'd like to see him fight a real contender next ie romanov, katsidis.

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                • abadger
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by C-Drone
                  One of the major criticisms of Amir Khan's is that he has a soft chin. That may be true. However, I've never really put much into that. For one, you can have a weak chin and still do fairly well in this sport. And second of all, it doesn't matter how many times you get knocked down, as long as you're winning fights.

                  The OTHER major criticism of Amir's is the fighters he'd fought, and how fast/slow he's being moved. People demand him to step up, ALREADY. What they fail to realize, are things like this.....

                  At 17 fights, in terms of the overall record of his opponents at the time of fighting him, he stacks up pretty well against a lot of fighters.

                  Over Records: (At 17 fights)
                  Amir Khan: 288-118-17
                  Julio Cesar Chavez: 18-39-3
                  Ricky Hatton: 173-291-42
                  Naseem Hamed: 303-251-46
                  Floyd Mayweather Jr.: 213-106-14

                  Now, a lot of things stand out to me when I look at that list. For one, Hatton and Chavez (people who have a brawling style out of the list) started out fighting bums, and had a losing body of work up to 17 fights. I also notice Khan's 'opponents' best resemble Floyd Mayweathers, than anyone else on that list.

                  This isn't to say that Hatton is as good at Chavez, I just noticed it. It's also not to say Khan will become as good as Mayweather, I just noticed it. My point is that he's not being moved at slower of a pace than the majority of fighters. He just happens to get the bigger push that most fighters wish for.

                  I know it has a lot to do with the fact that people will hate ANYTHING/ANYONE that someone tries to jam down their throats. The problem is that you should hate the pusher, not who's getting pushed.

                  Also, what that list doesn't show you is that he stopped fighting fighters with losing records after his fourth fight.

                  Mayweather? Nineth.

                  Hatton? Fourteenth.

                  Hamed? Tenth.

                  Chavez? At 17 fights, was still fighting straight out bums. Though, at twelve fights, he stopped fighting people with losing records, they also didn't have winning records. 13 was sitting at 5-1-0. 14, 15, 16, and 17 were all making 'debuts'.

                  Does this tell you they had the same level of fighters? No, it doesn't. But none of these fighters was really in there with a GREAT champion by this point. And rightfully so. Expect Mayweather, I doubt any were ready. And including Mayweather, none were deserving.

                  Does this tell you how good the kid is going to be? Absolutely not. Maybe his chin really is horrible. Maybe not. My point is, from what he's done and how he compares so far, it's still too early to judge him the way a lot of his 'haters' seem to do.
                  Great post. Khan's opposition has been fine up till now. The hate towards him treats him as though he were a dominant world champ!

                  Khan talks about being 'ready' though, so he's gonna have to prove it sooner or later. Gotta step up in his next few fights or the criticism will start to become justified.

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                  • THe TRiNiTY
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                    Originally posted by abadger
                    Great post. Khan's opposition has been fine up till now. The hate towards him treats him as though he were a dominant world champ!

                    Khan talks about being 'ready' though, so he's gonna have to prove it sooner or later. Gotta step up in his next few fights or the criticism will start to become justified.
                    Yeah, he does mention the 'r word' quite frequently. With that, a step up should be happening soon, unless he plans on changing his tune. Which, I'd be fine with if he voiced it. But if he keeps talking it, be has to start walking it.

                    Gomez wasn't the best choice, I just hope he steps up prettty noticeably in the next 3 or 4 fights. Doesn't even have to be Campbell. Could be a Katsidis-type. Otherwise the ready talks have to START dying down.

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