If Cotto-Margarito Don't Do 500,000+ Buys, They Ain't Worthy Of Floyd

[Vladimir303]

Yes Pernell fought great because he was P4P king and the man at 147. LOL He was not washed that is nonsense. Yes he fought like a champ but he still lost.

I repeat again........Pernell was washed up and smoking crack and a prime bouncing on his toes Delahoya couldn't deal with him.

Oscar can't deal with good boxers and he got lucky Pernell was over the hill otherwise it wouldn't have even been close.

Again alot of people think Pernell got robbed........brighten your horizons and study up on boxing history before you talk. Stop talking like you know something from going through boxrec.com.

[Tyson2k7]

I repeat again........Pernell was washed up and smoking crack and a prime bouncing on his toes Delahoya couldn't deal with him.

Pernell was not using till after the the Hoya fight. After thisd fight then he started to really decline but not before this fight. Withaker had unbeaten winning streak dating back years.

Oscar can't deal with good boxers and he got lucky Pernell was over the hill otherwise it wouldn't have even been close.

He was the undisputed P4P champ for a reason so please cut the ****.

Again alot of people think Pernell got robbed.......

He din't get robbed he just din't do enough to win.

.brighten your horizons and study up on boxing history before you talk. Stop talking like you know something from going through boxrec.com.

Speak for yourself LOL

[Vladimir303]

Pernell was not using till after the the Hoya fight. After thisd fight then he started to really decline but not before this fight. Withaker had unbeaten winning streak dating back years.

He was the undisputed P4P champ for a reason so please cut the ****.

This is the Boxrec.com mentality I was talking about. Just because he was still winning doesn't mean he was at his best. That's just how good he was, his defense was sooo good he competed even past his best.

I suppose you gonna tell me that Delahoya also defeated a prime Chavez because he was stil 96-1 and on a winning streak. How about Sugar Ray Leonard losing to Terry Norris in 1991. Suppose one could tell me he was still at his best because he hasn't lost in 11 years. It's common knowledge these guys were past it.

Kids these days.








Speak for yourself LOL [/QUOTE]

[Vladimir303]

Here is a lil article to support my opinion.....carefully read the sentence in red font below:

http://www.boxing-memorabilia.com/glvwhitaker.htm

Whitaker was arguibly the greatest defensive boxer of all time. His mastery of the subtle nuances of the sport made him far less famous among general sports fans than his accomplishments merited. In his prime years, Whitaker was remarkably consistent in seeking out the toughest opponents and outclassing them with his exasperating head movement and crisp counter-punching. While Whitaker was a genius at presenting a scarce target, he did so not by retreating, but by slipping and countering from close range.

In just his eleventh and twelth pro bouts, Whitaker beat solid journeymen Alfredo Layne in December, 1986, and Roger Mayweather in March, 1987. On March 12, 1988 he challenged Jose Luis Ramirez for the WBC Lightweight Championship in Levallois, France. He suffered his first pro defeat when the judges rendered a bizarre split decision in Ramirez's favor. Two of the three judges were apparently watching a different fight than the rest of the world, to whom it appeared Whitaker had won easily.

Whitaker trudged on, decisioning tough Greg Haugen for the IBF lightweight title on February 18, 1989. He added the WBC belt by avenging his loss to Ramirez on August 20.

Now a champion, Whitaker proceeded to dominate boxing's middle divisions over the first half of the 1990's. In 1990, he defended his lightweight title against good journeyman Freddie Pendelton and featherweight champion Azumah Nelson of Ghana. His highlight of 1991 was beating Jorge Paez. In 1992, he began his assent up in weight, winning the IBF junior welterweight title from Raphael Pineda on July 18.

Boxing's best couldn't touch "Sweat Pea," but many experts expected that to change when he fought Mexican legend Julio Cesar Chavez in a welterweight superfight on September 10, 1993 in San Antonio, Texas. In a career-defining performance, Whitaker made the undefeated brawler look ordinary, winning nearly every round in the eyes' of the spectators. But as in his first fight with Ramirez, Whitaker was robbed by the judges, and had to settle for a draw.

Whitaker continued to dominate for the next few years, beating James (Buddy) McGirt for the WBC welterweight belt on October 1, 1994, the same title he was denied against Chavez. For good measure, in his next fight on March 4, 1995, Whitaker added Julio Cesar Vasquez's WBA junior middleweight title to his collection. He moved back down to welterweight to regain the vacant WBC belt from Scotland's Gary Jacobs on August 26, 1995.

Despite his success, Whitaker's skills were in gradual decline, evidenced by lackluster defenses against Wilfredo Rivera and Diosbelys Hurtado. He met a bigger, younger Oscar de la Hoya on April 12, 1997 in Las Vegas, Nevada. Whitaker succeeded in making De la Hoya look bad through his crafty defense, but he was unable to mount a sufficient offense to sway the judges, and De la Hoya won a wide unanimous decision in a dull, ugly fight.

Following this loss, Whitaker began an unfortunate decline, personally and professionally. His win over Andrei Pestriaev was declared a No-Contest after a drug test revealed that he had used *******.

[Horus]

FUN FACTS TO CONSIDER ABOUT P.P.V's and other fighters...
compare to Floyd..

Floyd vs. Hatton = 850,000 Buys= $47 million in pay-per-view revenue.

The fight was the highest-grossing PPV fight ever that didn't feature a heavyweight or a Oscar De La Hoya.


GOOGLE ANY OF THESE FIGHTS AND ALL THESE NUMBERS WILL BE THE OFFICAL NUMBERS


Pacquaio vs. Big Names

Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV
Pacquiao vs. Morales II- 355,000 buys
PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. MarquezII 400,000 buys

Roy Jones vs. Big Names

Roy Jones Jr vs. Felix Trinidad 500,000 PPV = $25 million
Roy Jones Jr vs. John Ruiz 602,000 PPV = $26.5 million
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver II 382,000 PPV
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver III 402,000 PPV

Felix Trinidad vs. Big Names Besides Oscar:

Felix Trinidad vs. Roy Jones 500,000 PPV
Felix Trinidad vs. Winky Wright 510,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Bernard Hopkins 475,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Ricardo Mayorga 420,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Fernando Vargas 560,000 buys

Bernard Hopkins vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar

Bernard Hopkins vs. Felix Trinidad 475,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor II 410,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys

Shane Mosley vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas 420,000 Buys
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys

Miguel Cotto
Miguel Cotto vs. Shane Mosely 340,000 buys
Miguel Cotto vs. Zab Judah 220,000 Buys

THE REAL POINT...

Floyd fighting a Nobody is almost the equivalent to any fight the 3rd Biggest Name in Boxing (Pacquaio) is fighting in and that is with Big Names



Floyd vs. No Name Fighter with no U.S exposure (T.V):

Floyd vs.Carlos Baldomir 325,000 buys = 16.3 Million

"We're very pleased with Mayweather's PPV performance, especially given that Baldomir had little previous exposure in the US," HBO PPV's Mark Taffet said.

Baldomir's only previous U.S. exposure came in his January upset of Judah to win the welterweight title and his July knockout of Gatti in his first defense.

"These numbers are very reflective of the numbers generated by Oscar when he did not have the well-known name challenger in the other corner, which obviously speaks volumes of Floyd's star power," Goossen said.


Oscar vs. No Names with No U.S Exposure (T.V):

M.A. Gonzalez(1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
6 fights in the United States before the fight...

Felix Sturm (6/04) 380,000 buys = $19.0 million
This is after Oscar already had 3 Mega Fights over 925,000 P.P.V buys...
Trinidad, Fernando Vargas, Shane Mosley
This also after Oscar already had 4 fights of P.P.V over 550,000 P.P.V buys
Hector Camacho, Ike Quartey, J.C Chavez II, Shane Mosley,

So how do you do only 380,000 after all of that exposure in MEGA FIGHTS...?
And this is Oscar De La Hoya..... So that shows you how much ExposURe in the United States Affect P.P.V sales...

Floyd fighting a Nobody(Baldomir) is almost the equivalent to and better than

Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Miguel Cotto vs. zab Judah 225,000 PPV


and Floyd fighting a marginal Name Like Judah is bigger than all these fights..


Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV
PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV
Morales/Pacquiao III - 350,000 buys
Morales/Pacquiao II - 355,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Miguel Cotto vs. zab Judah 225,000 PPV
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys







And Judah is barely a marginal Name...
So Floyd vs. Judah = 375,000 buys So you could say that was all Floyd with a Marginal name fighter is better than 2/5 of the most Highest Selling P.P,V EVER not including a HeavyWeight or Oscar..

And if you Say Judah was superstar before the Mayweather Fight how..??

Because What exactly makes Judah a superstar or a big name? that was his first PPV and he had done nothing before that to prove he was a major draw.

There are only a handful of true superstars in the sport. DLH, Trinidad, Hopkins, Jones. Mayweather , and Pacquiao

Judah is and was nowhere near that level before and After. Would a superstar take $100k to fight Cory Spinks fighting in his own backyard..?





So lets put things into perspective when talking about Floyd...

[VIVA MEXICO!!]

Seriously at least not now because it will prove that a bigger fight can be made if they wait even longer. Arum was on point when he said the average sports fan vaguely has heard of Cotto and even less for Margarito and with it being on PPV that won't help their popularity. Get your PPV's up if you trying to see Money.

but baldomir sosa ndou mitchell gatti bruseles etc were "worthy". your a joke.

[Sin City]

This thread is unrealistic since Mayweather couldn't even do 500k before DLH and his highest PPV was against Arturo Gatti prior to that.

[Bhopreign]

Not quite 500k, oh well.

[savorduhflavor]

Between 450 and 500 aint bad.

[Pullcounter]

Not quite 500k, oh well.

i don't really care.... floyd should fight mosley or cotto soon