who are A,B,C Class fighters in your opinion

[markosg]

How can you not? You just said.....

Technique is not the only tangible that wins you a fight............. and although Oscar and Floyd's techniques are totally different, you can't just assume that Mayweather would win cause he is 'more technical' as you put it.

[Live Dog]

Technique is not the only tangible that wins you a fight............. and although Oscar and Floyd's techniques are totally different, you can't just assume that Mayweather would win cause he is 'more technical' as you put it.

I didn't say that Mayweather would win based solely on that. I simply said he was more technical than ODLH and Shane.

[Dynamite Kid]

I don't mean in general.............

But does that apply/matter when talking about a prime Oscar / Floyd / Mosely?


There is hardly that level of disparity........and that reationale can't be used to simply explain why Floyd would hae beaten them both

i agree with u there then ,i got the wrong end of the stick there LOL

this is actually a very good list, kudos to you!

Cheers Baya

[markosg]

I didn't say that Mayweather would win based solely on that. I simply said he was more technical than ODLH and Shane.

Define technical???? Does he throw more jabs? Does he move his head more?

Not sure what you mean? Was Mike Tyson's constant head movement, inside work, short hard punches less technical than Larry Holme Jab, right hand????

[Dynamite Kid]

I didn't say that Mayweather would win based solely on that. I simply said he was more technical than ODLH and Shane.

is there enough to make such a huge difference though

Oscar has a wide left hook but apart from that what esle Techically does he do wrong ,he does'nt move his head much i agree but his straight punchers are accurate & threw with maximum technique IMO he has one of the best jabs in Boxing

[Live Dog]

Define technical???? Does he throw more jabs? Does he move his head more?

Not sure what you mean? Was Mike Tyson's constant head movement, inside work, short hard punches less technical than Larry Holme Jab, right hand????

My idea of technique is when you add all of the little things up and see how they translate into complete offense and defense. As a complete fighter, Mayweather is unparalleled in the past 20 years.

One of the reasons I like Mayweather is his ability to translate defense into offense. He is never out of position, and uses angles as well as anyone. Oscar had a great jab, among other great attributes, but he was never as good at either of offense or defense, let alone both combined.

Mosley is a bit harder for me. Mosley is my favorite fighter, but it would be hard for me to classify him as great "technically" for two reasons. First, would be simply that I think he relied more on natural gifts than techniques learned in the gym. Secondly, when matched against two 'technical" fighters in Vernon and Winky, he fell far short on 4 occasions.

[markosg]

My idea of technique is when you add all of the little things up and see how they translate into complete offense and defense. As a complete fighter, Mayweather is unparalleled in the past 20 years.

One of the reasons I like Mayweather is his ability to translate defense into offense. He is never out of position, and uses angles as well as anyone. Oscar had a great jab, among other great attributes, but he was never as good at either of offense or defense, let alone both combined.

Mosley is a bit harder for me. Mosley is my favorite fighter, but it would be hard for me to classify him as great "technically" for two reasons. First, would be simply that I think he relied more on natural gifts than techniques learned in the gym. Secondly, when matched against two 'technical" fighters in Vernon and Winky, he fell far short on 4 occasions.

You are in the minority if you think that Mayweahter is that good........... you need to go away and watch some peak Roy Jones and Pernell Whitaker tapes if you want to see complete boxing.

Oscar using his jab for the first part of that fight negated all of the things you just mentioned....... a peak Oscar could (i said could) have maintained this.

If you are quantifying technique as stated aboce then by your definition you he is more technical. But that is not to say he is a fast, can take a punch or has better stamina than a peak Mosely/DLH and would not have necasserily have won!!

[Live Dog]

You are in the minority if you think that Mayweahter is that good........... you need to go away and watch some peak Roy Jones and Pernell Whitaker tapes if you want to see complete boxing.

Whitaker is an all time favorite for me, and I've seen most of his fights. I think if you gave 10 people those 3 choices, 3 would have Pernell on top, 3 would have RJJ on top, and 3 would have Floyd on top. The last guy would somehow turn it into a Cotto/Margarito arguement.

Oscar using his jab for the first part of that fight negated all of the things you just mentioned....... a peak Oscar could (i said could) have maintained this..

Oscar's stamina has always been a question mark.

If you are quantifying technique as stated aboce then by your definition you he is more technical. But that is not to say he is a fast, can take a punch or has better stamina than a peak Mosely/DLH and would not have necasserily have won!!

One thing is certain: PBF's Stamina > ODLH's Stamina

[Scott9945]

damn b i got a phatter arse than that japanese broad in your avi

that's just nasty

Well, I don't like oversized asses. Nasty? That's a bit harsh. Maybe you'll like the next girl better. If not, you can create your own avatar.

[MikeBrew328]

A+- Mayweather, both Sugar Rays, Ali, Frazier
A - Holyfield, Griffith, Holmes, Whitaker (possibly A+ if u count him beating JCC), Duran, Hagler, JCC, Foreman
A- - Tyson, De La Hoya, Mosley, Hopkins, Pacquiao, Morales, Mancini,
B+ Calzaghe, Steve Forbes, Kelly Pavlik, Jermain Taylor, Hearns
B- Zab Judah
C+ - Gatti, Ricky Hatton, Mayorga, Vargas

It's much more complicated than just A, B, and C. A lot of guys for example Ray Leonard/ Marvin Hagler. Ray Leonard is an all time great no doubt, but when you watch them fight you see SRL has that little bit more heart and desire which makes him that much more legendary. Ali and George Foreman are both great fighters too but Ali has that little bit more which seperates them, in his case its his sharpness of mind....