james toney vs joe calzaghe prime for prime at 168

[abadger]

Are you nuts, Calzaghe knows exactly how to box, moreover his boxing ability is not limited to boxing cliched movements that most of the fighters use. He has an excellent adoptability to his opponents style and rhytm, he utilizes great head movement and is much more loose then the guys who follow the usual jab-jab- step back-right cross type of boxing.

Good post. I agree.

[kayjay]

Are you nuts, Calzaghe knows exactly how to box, moreover his boxing ability is not limited to boxing cliched movements that most of the fighters use. He has an excellent adoptability to his opponents style and rhytm, he utilizes great head movement and is much more loose then the guys who follow the usual jab-jab- step back-right cross type of boxing.

Exactly. Most posters here who use the term 'boxing' mean a kind of posing, a rhythmic motion with the shoulders. They don't know what "boxing" is.

[DrSmith]

Are you nuts, Calzaghe knows exactly how to box

Are you kidding me? Did you even watch the Hopkins fight, or were you too busy taking hits from the bong.

Calzaghe landed AT BEST 10 clean shots the whole fight. Everything else was a flurry of female hand slaps. I dont see how that is boxing at all. The only thing Calzaghe knows exactly how to do is throw his hands around like my 15 year old neice.

I dont care about your foot movement, or adaptability. If you throw punches that way everything else is a moot point

[RichCCFC]

Toney is vastly overrated on this forum

I heard someone say on ESB he had more talent than Roy Jones. His defence is completely overrated because of a win or Iran "slow ass" Barkley who was KOed in 1 round by Nigel Benn.

Believe it or not I think Calzaghe wins this one, WIDE. Not quite Roy Jones wide but wide enough.

Calzaghe 116-112, 117-111.

[Steak]

goodness people...just watch Toney vs Jirov. how can you possibly say Calzaghe would beat an inshape Toney? Jirov at least matches Calzaghe's workrate, is a skilled southpaw, and was a very powerful body puncher. not to mention he is naturally bigger, stronger, and even throws punches similiar to Calzaghe. and Toney pretty much beat him up...

So you're saying he was robbed in both fights? And if Griffin was 5'7" with a suspect chin, what's with all these KO predictions over Calzaghe, whose chin I believe is pretty solid.

The popular opinion is that Toney was robbed in both fights, although the 1st one was much closer than the second.

you have to take into account their best performances, and not their worst. If I wanted, I could look at the Hopkins, Reid, and Kabary Salem fights for Calzaghe, all of which he looked horrible in. but this is a prime for prime talk, so you have to assume theyre in their best possible shape

[Cletus Funk]

Toney always struggled with guys quicker than him. Calzaghe close UD.

[sterling]

james toney by ko/tko

[DrSmith]

james toney by ko/tko

Finally someone with some common sense

[TheGreatA]

So you're saying he was robbed in both fights? And if Griffin was 5'7" with a suspect chin, what's with all these KO predictions over Calzaghe, whose chin I believe is pretty solid.

I'm not saying he was robbed in both fights. I believe he did enough in the second one and so do most other people.

I do not think Toney would knock Calzaghe out but it could be possible.

McCallum had a hell of a chin but Toney had him in trouble at the end of their second fight with combinations, Toney could also finish well as showed in his fights against Littles and Nunn.

We have seen it before, Calzaghe can get caught and hurt. He gets sloppy in there at times.

About the Griffin fights, to me it's like using Calzaghe's fights against Robin Reid and Kabery Salem, even the Hopkins fight as examples on why he would lose to Toney.
Calzaghe was clearly not at his best in those and neither was Toney.

Those losses count towards Toney's legacy but this is prime for prime so we have to assume that both fighters are at their best.

Toney is vastly overrated on this forum

I heard someone say on ESB he had more talent than Roy Jones. His defence is completely overrated because of a win or Iran "slow ass" Barkley who was KOed in 1 round by Nigel Benn.

Believe it or not I think Calzaghe wins this one, WIDE. Not quite Roy Jones wide but wide enough.

Calzaghe 116-112, 117-111.

You shouldn't be allowed to talk when it comes to Joe Calzaghe. Here's a question, how would Calzaghe do against Jirov, Peter and Rahman?

No former middleweight with 'overrated' defense could survive against the heavyweights.

I thought he was doing a trendemous defensive job against Michael Nunn who was a fast handed, 6'3 southpaw with a strong jab.
You can talk about him being behind on points but I don't see many others doing a better job against a prime Nunn.

[~Lucky13~]

this fight would be a joke
james toney would look like a clueless amateur against calzaghe