I'm sorry, but Calzaghe defeated Hopkins comfortably

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  • abadger
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    #31
    Originally posted by vladimir303
    No way to know for sure. All we know is that a 36 year old fought a 44 year old and it was ugly and close and could have went either way because nothing clean landed for the majority of the fight.

    And just looking at pure skill level......Hopkins is miles apart from Joe. To me this fight was a lighter weight version of Alexander Povetkin outworking Eddie Chambers a few months ago. Same exact thing. I picked Chambers to box his ears off but he just didn't let his hands go and covered up too much. And the lesser skilled guy won because he tried harder. Joe tried harder and he got the decision....nothing else to it.
    Sorry, but Joe Calzaghe is in a different league to Hopkins skills wise. Hopkins is good at what he does, but Calzaghe is one of the most naturally talented and best schooled fighters of the modern era. In his prime he had speed, power and stamina as well as the natural talent to throw all kinds of crazy punches and adopt a variety of defensive techniques. Seriously, watch him against say Eubank, Lacy and Kessler in particular and pretend he's a fighter you've never seen or heard of before. You will be surprised. Kessler in particular was an incredible example of boxing at its best.

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    • Vladimir303
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      #32
      Originally posted by abadger
      Sorry, but Joe Calzaghe is in a different league to Hopkins skills wise. .
      you can apologize all you want but we both know that Calzaghe is a slapper who looks like a ***** fighting his way out of spider webs. I didn't pull that one out of nowhere.....that's what he looks like.

      Hopkins defensively and offensively is the more skilled fighter. Trained in the school of hardknocks in philly.

      Then sooner you except that then better. Your guy got the victory. You got what you wanted. He is 44-0.......take that and move on.
      Last edited by Vladimir303; 05-18-2008, 03:13 AM.

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        #33
        Originally posted by vladimir303
        you can apologize all you want but we both know that Calzaghe is a slapper who looks like a ***** fighting his way out of spider webs. I didn't pull that one out of nowhere.....that's what he looks like.

        Hopkins defensively and offensively is the more skilled fighter.

        Face it and move on.
        You were doing good until then my friend. Making childish remarks about a fighter and saying "face it and move on" as though your opinion were a defining reality is little better than trolling. Really, watch a few Calzaghe fights (again if neccessary) and then come back and say that about him with a clear conscience. When you want to actually back up your opinion rationally then I'll be here, but until then, don't waste my time.

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          #34
          Originally posted by abadger
          You were doing good until then my friend. Making childish remarks about a fighter and saying "face it and move on" as though your opinion were a defining reality is little better than trolling. Really, watch a few Calzaghe fights (again if neccessary) and then come back and say that about him with a clear conscience. When you want to actually back up your opinion rationally then I'll be here, but until then, don't waste my time.
          Your guy won.......you got what you wanted. He is 45-0. His record is safe for now.

          Don't give me that nonsene. You're trying to have the last post as if it's the closing statement that says it all.

          Stop being bitter because nobody thinks that Calzaghe won impressively or easy. He didn't and that's that. Nobody agrees that Joe's skilled are a leaguea above Joe,Their technical skills don't compare.
          Last edited by Vladimir303; 05-18-2008, 03:19 AM.

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            #35
            Originally posted by abadger
            Sorry, but Joe Calzaghe is in a different league to Hopkins skills wise. Hopkins is good at what he does, but Calzaghe is one of the most naturally talented and best schooled fighters of the modern era. In his prime he had speed, power and stamina as well as the natural talent to throw all kinds of crazy punches and adopt a variety of defensive techniques. Seriously, watch him against say Eubank, Lacy and Kessler in particular and pretend he's a fighter you've never seen or heard of before. You will be surprised. Kessler in particular was an incredible example of boxing at its best.
            I disagree.

            Kessler by the way is not as good as people make him out to be.

            I know a guy who knocked him out in sparring a few years ago. No ****.

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              #36
              Originally posted by vladimir303
              Your guy won.......you got what you wanted. He is 45-0. His record is safe for now.

              Don't give me that nonsene. You're trying to have the last post as if it's the closing statement that says it all.

              Stop being bitter because nobody thinks that Calzaghe won impressively or easy. He didn't and that's that.
              As I said in my opening post, oh **** it, I don't need to say it again in different words:

              I know its old news, but as a Calzaghe fan who has to witness threads and posters disparaging Joe on a regular basis, including many people basically claiming that Hopkins won the fight, I feel I have to point out that the Hopkins-Calzaghe fight, far from being close, was a clear and comfortable Joe Calzaghe victory. In the immediate aftermath of the fight, I wasn't so sure, but after watching again it is so obvious that it is almost ridiculous, I believe that I, and many posters here fell prey to exactly the same thing that Joe did in the first two rounds of the fight, Joe gave Hopkins too much respect, and I and other Calzaghe fans have been giving too much repect to the wishful thinking of Hopkins fans and US posters.

              The reality of the fight is that Joe Calzaghe harried Hopkins around the ring all night long, like nobody has ever done before, he threw more, landed more and was generally the dominant force, and you don't need compubox to tell it to you, you only need your eyes. Nobody, ever, has chased Hopkins around throwing punches at him and forcing him to fight like Calzaghe did, not even Roy Jones. Those of you who make the claim that Hopkins 'landed the cleaner harder shots' are just falling prey to wishful thinking, the truth is that it was the other way around.

              I actually can't believe that I didn't have the balls to post this before, but as a relatively new poster I felt that I shouldn't be too critical of the voices that I felt were surely more experienced than me. Now I realise that although I am not the world's foremost boxing expert, my reading of the Hopkins fight is more accurate than the denial of the truth that is frankly rife on these boards. Joe Calzaghe is a fighter of the highest quality, and although Hopkins showed a lot against him, Joe did what what he always does, which is outclass his opponent comfortably. All of you who don't believe me, wait, and I mean wait, until Joe takes on Jones, Pavlik or Tarver. When that happens he will do exactly the same thing, and all of us Calzaghe fans will be proved right once again, as we consistently have been.

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                #37
                Originally posted by tyson
                I disagree.

                Kessler by the way is not as good as people make him out to be.

                I know a guy who knocked him out in sparring a few years ago. No ****.
                Cool man, I knew you would, but right now I am absolutely and unequivocally gassed! We can discuss it a different time if you like, and I'm sure the opportunity will arise in some future thread, but right now I need sleep and thats it.

                Later.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by abadger
                  As I said in my opening post, oh **** it, I don't need to say it again in different words:
                  You said it and I'm saying it now. There was nothing impressive about it.

                  Their technical skills don't compare....one is a slapper who depends on workrate, the other is a gym rat who learned his craft in Philladelphia.

                  I gave you my best intellectual posts but we're past that.This is overtime... So if you keep saying "sorry but Joe is leagues above Hopkins" I will go right back at ya with a Sorry but that slapper can't touch Hopkins when it comes to craft and skills.

                  Simple as that.
                  Last edited by Vladimir303; 05-18-2008, 03:29 AM.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by abadger
                    Cool man, I knew you would, but right now I am absolutely and unequivocally gassed! We can discuss it a different time if you like, and I'm sure the opportunity will arise in some future thread, but right now I need sleep and thats it.

                    Later.
                    Sleep well, bro.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Burner
                      No..Calzagheis not a good fighter and will be forgotten the second he retires.

                      Hopkins..Trinidada..Jones...Toney.....will never be forgotten.

                      Sorry.

                      I had Hopkins 114-113...Hopkins made Joe look like a prospect.....Hopkins was 7 years shy of fifty...what th uck does beating a 43 year old Hopkins mean??...****.

                      And now Calzaghe wants a 40 year old Roy....ugh.
                      Do you ever get tired of talking ****?

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