JESUS CHRIST. Calzaghe deserves more credit.

[RichCCFC]

It seems you take this a little too personally. Joe doesn't know you exist bro. I for one KNOW he is a great fighter but haters will be haters, deal with it. Plus some of the nuthuggery you show doesn't help your cause.

I actually know Joe and talk to him on a regular basis

He isn't some flashy celebrity, he is grounded and just one of the guys.

[RichCCFC]

Johnson lost to Otte, Shieka and many other no names during that time period. It was a good win but overrated because Johnson primed late.

[Bobby Shaw]

Just to remind you the slapper was dropped by a 43yr old.

I wish I could give the slapper some credit but then what heas he done for boxing?

[ИATAS]

man, you getting owned in a thread doesn't mean people aren't giving Calzaghe respect. Hell, I think Calzaghe is probably the best super middle weight of all time. Just because people don't agree with a thread topic and your personal opinion, doesn't mean they aren't giving Joe credit.

[TheGreatA]

I just made a topic giving logical reasons why he would beat Hopkins Prime 4 Prime and all I get is a ton of bull **** replies calling me biased etc.

Some people gave decent answers but even then they stretched the truth (Hopkins has faster hands than Joe).

Joe Calzaghe is EASILY in the category of Toney, Hopkins and Roy and I think he is better than them, bar Roy.

Hopkins has never impressed me that much in his prime (and yes, I've watched his fight vs Johnson). He looked ruthless but Johnson hadn't fought anyone at the time and was coming in off a loss over Omar Shieka FFS (Calzaghe destroyed him in 5). Johnson only got good late in his career.

Look it's easy to call other people on this forum biased but number one, you are Welsh and number two, you have admitted that you started watching boxing because of Joe Calzaghe.

Couldn't you be a little biased yourself when it comes to Calzaghe?

I'm not saying you are the only biased fan in these forums, I've argued with Americans who think that Calzaghe couldn't shine a prime Jones' boots despite all his achievements.

I have also argued with Brits who believe that Calzaghe would KO a prime Roy Jones and would win a shutout over a prime James Toney.

[ИATAS]

Johnson lost to Otte, Shieka and many other no names during that time period. It was a good win but overrated because Johnson primed late.

Did you happen to see any of these fights? Johnson has gotten robbed on quite a few occasions.

[Scott9945]

johnson was undefeated when he fought hopkins. and didn't you see the fight where a 43 year old hopkins made calzaghe look like a fool and calzaghe posed no problems for hopkins cept for making him laugh with his windmill impersonation which was spot on. 2 thumbs up! on the other hand hopkins posed huge problems for calzaghe cause everytime he threw he landed and shook him and knocked him down once and almost a second time but the round ended. imagine if hopkins had thrown more punches like he did in his prime. calzaghe isnt better cause he ko'd sheika im so sorry.

Hopkins made Calzaghe look like a fool? Please, spare us your bull****.

[ИATAS]

Hopkins made Calzaghe look like a fool? Please, spare us your bull****.

He sure as hell didn't make Calzaghe look good. Even hardcore calzaghe fans admit that that fight was one of Joe's worst performances to date.

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[DiegoFuego]

I just made a topic giving logical reasons why he would beat Hopkins Prime 4 Prime and all I get is a ton of bull **** replies calling me biased etc.

Some people gave decent answers but even then they stretched the truth (Hopkins has faster hands than Joe).

Joe Calzaghe is EASILY in the category of Toney, Hopkins and Roy and I think he is better than them, bar Roy.

Hopkins has never impressed me that much in his prime (and yes, I've watched his fight vs Johnson). He looked ruthless but Johnson hadn't fought anyone at the time and was coming in off a loss over Omar Shieka FFS (Calzaghe destroyed him in 5). Johnson only got good late in his career.

You've got to be kidding

[βetamax]

I don't really see anyone not giving him credit. Most of the same people included myself who argue about Calzaghe's accomplishments or what he was capable of in his prime have him ranked in their current top 5 P4P, most in the 2-3 position. However, I and many others feel he is being overcredited with such claims that he could easily beat Hopkins in his prime or even Jones. That's saying A LOT.