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  • QUISQUEYA
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    #31
    Originally posted by jpeck
    The combination of having Floyd chase the other fighter all night, the body shots and clinching could slow him down just enough to make a difference in the later rounds.

    The only problem is that whatever you are doing to try to tire out Floyd will make YOU more tired than him. That little bastard is a cardio machine.

    How many times have you seen FMJ's opponent fresher than him in the late rounds?

    He is just so relaxed in the ring, combined with his excellent fitness/training.

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    • QUISQUEYA
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      #32
      Originally posted by shadeyfizzle
      Turn my fighter into a miniature version of mike tyson. Bobbing and weaving and on a hell bent trance to knock him out. Im sure a mike tyson-esque haymaker to the chin as the ref is calling for break would piss him off enough to actually come forward and fight instead of running like a ***** and throwing nothing but jabs for 12 rds.
      Does Floyd throw alot of jabs? Have you seen him fight very much?

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      • Ray*
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        #33
        Originally posted by jpeck
        I don't understand why everyone always says you need to use pressure to beat Floyd. Minus the first Castillo fight, Floyd has looked pretty good against every aggressive come-forward fighter he has faced. Lets face it - Floyd can really fight off the back foot.

        I think to have a chance at beating Floyd, you need 4 things: Speed, a good jab, good punch to the body, and you have be able to make Floyd come forward. The few times I've seen Floyd get hit cleanly, it was either from a guy with a good jab (Oscar) or when he was trying to walk his man down (Zab). But since you're not gonna beat Floyd with a jab alone, your best bet is to try to slow him down for the later rounds. I would have my fighter work off of the jab, and focus on the body on the way inside. And when he does get on the inside, I would HOLD Floyd just like Hatton did (I think the dumbest thing you could do is try to fight Floyd anywhere near the pocket). The combination of having Floyd chase the other fighter all night, the body shots and clinching could slow him down just enough to make a difference in the later rounds.

        This is the most sensible post i have ever seen on a potential way to fight Mayweather, I dont see how people would think Pressuring is the way to do it. Everybody keep talking about the castillo fight but am not so sure Castillo would have trouble Mayweather that much if he wasnt carrying an injury.

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        • shadeyfizzle
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          #34
          Originally posted by QUISQUEYA
          Does Floyd throw alot of jabs? Have you seen him fight very much?
          Every Mayweather fight I have seen the last 6 years all he ever does is back up and throw 1 jab at a time as the other guy is trying to chase him down on his way to a point victory just because he has like a 14 to 1 connect advantage each round. Dude dont come to throw down. Even his knockout of hatton was more of a sidestep hard jab than a hook. He dont like being hit. Just a few clean power shots would put him down 4 the count. But you aint landing clean on him unless you get him to come forward and trade instead of running like a *****. Only way to get him to come forward is to piss him off enough to make him wanna knock you out cuz you fight dirty. Similar to the way tyson made guys wanna trade with him nomatter how suicidal it was

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            #35
            Much prayer.

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            • The Gambler1981
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              #36
              I would make sure my boxers knows he need to limit what PBF is landing. If you go in there thinking he is a ***** who can not hurt you, I think your in for a long night. But if you can make him actually miss maybe throw a little more then he wants counter him a little. If you let him just land on you he will pick you apart maybe knock you down or out if he lands the right stuff. Maybe then you can pull out a decision because I really dont see PBF getting kayoed unless he gets careless or old.

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              • joshyp18
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                #37
                you gotta take risks. hatton did it and failed he wasnt allowed to get inside. i cant see anyone outboxing floyd. i think if you pressure him too much like hatton it will bring the best out of him and hel jus whoop your ass. you gotta make him fight dirty pretty boy dont like that. land a cotto low blow, wind him up and get him angry. he is too chilled out. you gotta make him lose his composure make him fight dont chase him round the ring. ALWAYS watch his right jab. work at it dont lose your cool. be prepared and in great shape and expect the hardest, toughest fight of your life. Keep your head, stick to your gameplan.

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                • QUISQUEYA
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by joshyp18
                  you gotta take risks. hatton did it and failed he wasnt allowed to get inside. i cant see anyone outboxing floyd. i think if you pressure him too much like hatton it will bring the best out of him and hel jus whoop your ass. you gotta make him fight dirty pretty boy dont like that. land a cotto low blow, wind him up and get him angry. he is too chilled out. you gotta make him lose his composure make him fight dont chase him round the ring. ALWAYS watch his right jab. work at it dont lose your cool. be prepared and in great shape and expect the hardest, toughest fight of your life. Keep your head, stick to your gameplan.
                  Zab hit him in the nuts. And back of the head. A riot broke out in the ring. Roger and Leonard (his uncle and best friend) were throwing down with the Judah clan.

                  Floyd stood calmly in the corner and watched.

                  I don't think he will lose his composure.

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                  • frankpaganini
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by jpeck
                    I don't understand why everyone always says you need to use pressure to beat Floyd. Minus the first Castillo fight, Floyd has looked pretty good against every aggressive come-forward fighter he has faced. Lets face it - Floyd can really fight off the back foot.

                    I think to have a chance at beating Floyd, you need 4 things: Speed, a good jab, good punch to the body, and you have be able to make Floyd come forward. The few times I've seen Floyd get hit cleanly, it was either from a guy with a good jab (Oscar) or when he was trying to walk his man down (Zab). But since you're not gonna beat Floyd with a jab alone, your best bet is to try to slow him down for the later rounds. I would have my fighter work off of the jab, and focus on the body on the way inside. And when he does get on the inside, I would HOLD Floyd just like Hatton did (I think the dumbest thing you could do is try to fight Floyd anywhere near the pocket). The combination of having Floyd chase the other fighter all night, the body shots and clinching could slow him down just enough to make a difference in the later rounds.
                    i have a few theories (mattering on the style of fighter) but this is one i agree with.

                    We rarely see floyd have to chase HIS opponent. Mayweather is usually the one being pursued...no one really lets mayweather come to them anymore because theres a false thought that you have to put pressure on mayweather to beat him...just because it worked for castillo doesnt mean it works for everyone...you have to do it correctly to make it work.

                    I've always thought for cotto this is the gameplan...work the jab; get in and work the body; get back outside...allow mayweather to pursue cotto...

                    that will slow down mayweather a lot come the 8th or 10th round...allowing cotto to really open up and attack the body with more consistancy.

                    cotto doesnt have great speed buts its decent and better to that of oscar (of course) and cotto is far less likely to fade since he's prime fighter who can fight on his toes (he did it in the last part of the mosley fight and did it nearly the whole tune-up fight with gomez)...he's one of (if not the best) body puncher currently in the sport...

                    my big doubt with a fighter like cotto is that will he be able to ignore his warrior/brawling spirit and be patient enough to make mayweather pursue him...

                    however (so i dont get further off track) i agree that this is definately one way to beat a guy like floyd.

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                    • Xyei
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                      #40
                      I think the best way to beat him is to go for the knock out in the first few rounds. Just lay it all on the table and try to catch him hard. He got stunned early in the Hatton fight and usually loses the first few rounds. I know this is a big risk to take, but I think the beginning of the fight is the best time to get him out of there. The more rounds that go by, the more he will adjust to your style.

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