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  • Originally posted by Addison View Post
    To clarify; Cotto doesn't brawl always for the sake of offense. He throws wild combinations and becomes agressive to back up an opponent when he's been hit hard or he's in trouble. That is Cotto's answer for ***** street these days.
    I can agree with this, he needs to learn how to hold on when hurt to buy time instead of trying to fight back and leaving himself open.

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    • I do not think much of Margarito the boxer. If he was a good boxer Williams would not have beat him. He also give up his advantages real easily.
      I do not really think Cotto will just be able to box Margarito's ears off, but he should be able to do enough to win the decision while taking some damage and dishing out more.

      If it is a war by choice or if Cotto can not keep him away, I envision Margarito's hand raised in that scenario.

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      • Originally posted by Addison View Post
        One of the things I have found interesting about the concept of Cotto Boxing Margarito with his "straight" punches - which has been the perscription from several supposedly well informed members - is that Margarito has a 5-6 inch height advantage, and a 6-7 inch reach advantage.

        How the **** is Cotto going to land all these "straight" punches exactly?
        It's a four inch height advantage. The idea is that straight punches naturally have a shorter distance to travel than a looping punch, which increases the distance a lot by travelling on an arc instead of going straight to the target. So consider that an arm itself might be 24'' with a closed fist, a reach advantage of 7 inches (which Margarito has) is effectively eliminated because of the fact that he doesn't throw straight, crisp punches. Genius.

        Also it's hilarious to think that most Margarito and Cotto supporters seem to think that in a straight up war, which has a high possibility of happening, Cotto is at a disadvantage. This is simply unfounded. Every time we've seen Cotto wobbled or down (I personally haven't seen him down, but I've heard he's been KDed), he comes back stronger. A very good example of this would be the early stages of the Mosley fight (who has a better KO record than Margarito by far). Mosley was landing some serious bombs, but Cotto just kept firing back, and Mosley definitely has better power than Margarito.

        Now lets look at the one time in his career where Margarito really looked hurt: the body KD from Soberanes. Cotto is well known for his ability to really punish the body. That people are writing him off in a battle against someone that is frail to the body, isn't as strong as the last "superstar" he faced, isn't as fast or skilled, is pretty ignorant. If they go to war Cotto definitely has the advantage, and the only thing that helps Margarito is his workrate; however, this will be offset by the fact that Cotto will be landing punches first because they are straight and crisp and he will be hurting Margarito badly.

        Oh, and despite this reply, Addison is still a ****ing moron.

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        • Originally posted by silencers98 View Post
          By using his footwork so that Margarito can't get his feet set, use his superior timing and speed to negate those advantages.

          And Margarito doesn't really use his height to his advantage, he bends down to his opponents' level and that'll work against him.
          What are you kidding? It sounds like you're describing a young Roy Jones.

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          • Originally posted by Addison View Post
            What are you kidding? It sounds like you're describing a young Roy Jones.
            It's true though that Cotto has better footwork, timing and speed. These qualities will negate Margarito's height and reach advantage.

            Add the fact that Margarito doesn't fight his height and throws wide looping shots takes away most of his advantages.

            Remember, short, straight shots will always get to the target before wide, looping ones.

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            • Originally posted by Vigilant3 View Post
              It's a four inch height advantage. The idea is that straight punches naturally have a shorter distance to travel than a looping punch, which increases the distance a lot by travelling on an arc instead of going straight to the target. So consider that an arm itself might be 24'' with a closed fist, a reach advantage of 7 inches (which Margarito has) is effectively eliminated because of the fact that he doesn't throw straight, crisp punches. Genius.

              Also it's hilarious to think that most Margarito and Cotto supporters seem to think that in a straight up war, which has a high possibility of happening, Cotto is at a disadvantage. This is simply unfounded. Every time we've seen Cotto wobbled or down (I personally haven't seen him down, but I've heard he's been KDed), he comes back stronger. A very good example of this would be the early stages of the Mosley fight (who has a better KO record than Margarito by far). Mosley was landing some serious bombs, but Cotto just kept firing back, and Mosley definitely has better power than Margarito.

              Now lets look at the one time in his career where Margarito really looked hurt: the body KD from Soberanes. Cotto is well known for his ability to really punish the body. That people are writing him off in a battle against someone that is frail to the body, isn't as strong as the last "superstar" he faced, isn't as fast or skilled, is pretty ignorant. If they go to war Cotto definitely has the advantage, and the only thing that helps Margarito is his workrate; however, this will be offset by the fact that Cotto will be landing punches first because they are straight and crisp and he will be hurting Margarito badly.

              Oh, and despite this reply, Addison is still a ****ing moron.
              Listen, you dochebag idiot. If you want to hit Margarito you do it with looping punches. To suggest anything else with a great disparity in height and reach is RIDICULOUS - not the mention that Margarito is a sucker for looping shots anyway. Margarito isn't good at making guys miss but his strength is making straight punches miss. He's a tall guy who pulls back and steps to the side. You know absolutely nothing about Boxing or these fighters to even speak this nonsense. You are a ****ing complete ******. This is the dumbest ****, fool. ^ You think you can call me a moron? Me?? That says it all.

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              • Originally posted by Vigilant3 View Post
                It's a four inch height advantage. The idea is that straight punches naturally have a shorter distance to travel than a looping punch, which increases the distance a lot by travelling on an arc instead of going straight to the target. So consider that an arm itself might be 24'' with a closed fist, a reach advantage of 7 inches (which Margarito has) is effectively eliminated because of the fact that he doesn't throw straight, crisp punches. Genius.

                Also it's hilarious to think that most Margarito and Cotto supporters seem to think that in a straight up war, which has a high possibility of happening, Cotto is at a disadvantage. This is simply unfounded. Every time we've seen Cotto wobbled or down (I personally haven't seen him down, but I've heard he's been KDed), he comes back stronger. A very good example of this would be the early stages of the Mosley fight (who has a better KO record than Margarito by far). Mosley was landing some serious bombs, but Cotto just kept firing back, and Mosley definitely has better power than Margarito.

                Now lets look at the one time in his career where Margarito really looked hurt: the body KD from Soberanes. Cotto is well known for his ability to really punish the body. That people are writing him off in a battle against someone that is frail to the body, isn't as strong as the last "superstar" he faced, isn't as fast or skilled, is pretty ignorant. If they go to war Cotto definitely has the advantage, and the only thing that helps Margarito is his workrate; however, this will be offset by the fact that Cotto will be landing punches first because they are straight and crisp and he will be hurting Margarito badly.

                Oh, and despite this reply, Addison is still a ****ing moron.
                This ****ing fool hasn't even seen the Torres fight. WOW.

                Talk about an IGNORANT DOUCHBAG.

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                • You're a complete ****ing idiot. Shut up already you self-righteous moron.

                  What a complete hypocrite, too. People come up with good arguments and all you do is talk ****. No wonder you're such a reject. You have some serious weak ****.

                  Remember kids: take Addison as a prime example as to why you should stay in school.

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                  • Originally posted by silencers98 View Post
                    It's true though that Cotto has better footwork, timing and speed. These qualities will negate Margarito's height and reach advantage.

                    Add the fact that Margarito doesn't fight his height and throws wide looping shots takes away most of his advantages.

                    Remember, short, straight shots will always get to the target before wide, looping ones.
                    Short straight punches won't get to the target if the target isn't there, pal. I think you're completely missing the point and I would suggest you watch some tape. Immediately.

                    Secondly, it doesn't matter if Cotto has slightly better speed or timing or any of that - slightly isn't enough distance. Get it??? You have to be a Mayweather or Whitaker to completely own PHYSICS. Forget about the opponent. This is a matter of PHYSICS. Jesus ****ing christ..

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                    • Margarito isn't good at making guys miss but his strength is making straight punches miss. He's a tall guy who pulls back and steps to the side.
                      What a complete contradiction. This moron doesn't even know how to form coherent arguments.

                      I mean, the Clottey fight is a great example of Margarito avoiding straight punches. XD

                      Dude you need to shut the **** up because all you're doing is making yourself look more and more like an idiot.

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