Juan Manuel Marquez Eyes Lightweight Division

[warp1432]

Anything Pac can do Marquez can do better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Except beat him =/

(Well I thought he won both times, but others didn't)

[NAPO]

u saw how fluffy the guy was weighting at 141..at 135 he's too small.


pacquiao is CUT! the guy need to gain weight.


pacquiao is the man of the lower weight classes!

[shadeyfizzle]

What I find interesting is that a lot of Pacmans fans, are people who don't really like Mayweather. They want Cotto to call him out and force the fight. Yet, when Marquez does the same thing (the only difference being after two CLOSE ass fights) Marquez is a whiner and a sore loser. Lol. That's interesting to me, that's all.

If people want Marquez to back off of Pacquiao, then maybe Manny should THOROUGHLY beat him, as opposed to hold on to a draw or win a fight that MANY thought he lost.

Cuz Pacquiao has fought 3 top 5 p4p fighters on 7 different ocassions in the last 4 years. Mayweather hasnt fought anyone in the top 10 p4p since 2001 but tells everyone he comes across that he's the GOAT. Give me a break. being the greatest isnt always about skill. I'll take Pacman for #1 p4p anyday even if both Marquez fights were close because he clawed his way past the best instead of coasting off his gifts and pedigree.

[2501]

Pacfans are the ONLY "boxing fans" who dont want this fight to happen. How come? Why dont you want to see another fight which is GAURANTEED to be explosive like the first 2? Why is it that the majority of Boxing writers, Boxing fans, Boxing analyst want this fight to happen................................except Pacquiao fans? Obviously, Pac didn't win convincingly. As many people who thought that Pac won thought JMM won. So there is no clear and obvious dominating win for Pacquiao. I had Pac winning the first fight. I had the second a draw. This THIRD needs to happen. It so ironic that a lot of Pac fans criticize Mayweather fans because Floyd wont fight Cotto. Now look who's trying to avoid their biggest challenge and yall want him to ignore it? You guys are a ****in joke. Let me leave you with something to remind you that this fight wasnt a clear and convincing win that you think it is. Its just not "Mexican fans" that are "crying", its the whole boxing community.

* Most boxing experts had Marquez winning over Pacquiao:

- Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.

[shadeyfizzle]

Marquez got knocked down 4 times pac still couldn't beat him convincingely in eaither fight the only possoble reason that you pac fans don't want your fighter to fight marquez again is cause your scared that your fighter will lose. And he will

I have to admit that out of any mexican Pacman had been matched up with he had the best chance of coming out on top. But twice he fought the best fight he had ever had in his career but still came up short and still got KD 5 times in the process. You need to seriously ask yourself If you actually believe Marquez going toe 2 toe wid Pacman and going 4 the knockout like he intends to do for the 3rd match is actually going to change anything

[2501]

I have to admit that out of any mexican Pacman had been matched up with he had the best chance of coming out on top. But twice he fought the best fight he had ever had in his career but still came up short and still got KD 5 times in the process. You need to seriously ask yourself If you actually believe Marquez going toe 2 toe wid Pacman and going 4 the knockout like he intends to do for the 3rd match is actually going to change anything

how many of us actually thought he could wobble Pac? even i didnt think it was going to happen. Pac won the first fight in my eyes. JMM improved and did much better in the second fight and i had it a draw. the first 2 fights were not similar. why is it that you guys dont want this to happen? why do so many people, not just jmm, DO?

[miron_lang]

Pacfans are the ONLY "boxing fans" who dont want this fight to happen. How come? Why dont you want to see another fight which is GAURANTEED to be explosive like the first 2? Why is it that the majority of Boxing writers, Boxing fans, Boxing analyst want this fight to happen................................except Pacquiao fans? Obviously, Pac didn't win convincingly. As many people who thought that Pac won thought JMM won. So there is no clear and obvious dominating win for Pacquiao. I had Pac winning the first fight. I had the second a draw. This THIRD needs to happen. It so ironic that a lot of Pac fans criticize Mayweather fans because Floyd wont fight Cotto. Now look who's trying to avoid their biggest challenge and yall want him to ignore it? You guys are a ****in joke. Let me leave you with something to remind you that this fight wasnt a clear and convincing win that you think it is. Its just not "Mexican fans" that are "crying", its the whole boxing community.

* Most boxing experts had Marquez winning over Pacquiao:

- Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.

All of them have no problem with the decision. a victory by 2 pts either way is logical considering the number of 'even' rounds'.

I think Ed picson had PAc by 1 pt. not very sure though.

[shadeyfizzle]

how many of us actually thought he could wobble Pac? even i didnt think it was going to happen. Pac won the first fight in my eyes. JMM improved and did much better in the second fight and i had it a draw. the first 2 fights were not similar. why is it that you guys dont want this to happen? why do so many people, not just jmm, DO?

Dont get me wrong buddy. It's not that I dont want it to happen. Im simply making a point to Marquez nutthuggers that he had already fought as well as he ws ever going to on 2 occassions but still came up empty handed. Now for the 3rd fight Marquez intends to fight the way that Pacman had been trying to get him to fight the last 2times they faced off. Tell me if that strategy makes any sense or if its suicide for him.

[2501]

Dont get me wrong buddy. It's not that I dont want it to happen. Im simply making a point to Marquez nutthuggers that he had already fought as well as he ws ever going to on 2 occassions but still came up empty handed. Now for the 3rd fight Marquez intends to fight the way that Pacman had been trying to get him to fight the last 2times they faced off. Tell me if that strategy makes any sense or if its suicide for him.

you and i both know that we cant take what a fighter says outside of the ring too seriously. i really doubt marquez is going to go pac style on pac. he's too smart for that. i DO believe he will try to KO pac after setting up an op with a combo, but i dont think he would be able to do it. do i think JMM can beat Pac? certainly. Do I want this fight to happen IMMEDIATELY? no. I want JMM to fight one or 2 fights at lightweight first. but this fight needs to happen sometime mid next year. its what the fans want.

[whirlwind]

I cant stand Marquez nuthuggers.... Just imagine if it was Marquez that knocked down Pac 4 or 5 times in two fights?????? These people would say JMM murdered Pac.... But, no it was a boxing lesson....Hahahaahah!!!! Funny lesson.....What was JMM trying to teach? How to get dropped by the damn straight left?????

Lets put this in proper perspective....The reason why KDs are count for more is BECAUSE another man has to step in for your behalf.... Without the referee, JMM would be literally dead 4 times already.... I could understand if it was a see-saw battle knockdown for knockdown but its 4 kos to a big fat zero!!!!! JMM hasnt even gotten close to knocking down PAC.....

The funny thing is the only reason people are having this discussion is because PAC didnt KO JMM like everyone thought... But, lets be real...JMM's whole game plan is not to get KO'd and simply to counterpunch.... He doesnt want to go toe to toe like Mexicans are supposed to do... And, the very few times he did, PAC nearly took his head off...

But, yeah, JMM is better than PAC....

This should wake up some people here that Pac is better the JMM in reality if they fight without the ref.