African American Joe Calz

**THE REED** · 05-12-2008, 12:28 AM

i think people are calling it exactly like they see it, regardless of where they come from or what color they are... i know i do.

**Sin City** · 05-12-2008, 12:30 AM

He would be considered exactley as he is now..
Calzaghe is good but not great.. he wasted a career which could have been better fighting for the majority part.. bums!

**GodOfWar** · 05-12-2008, 12:37 AM

Whos to blame for Calzaghes career? Frank Warren or Joe Calzaghe? And if its frank warrens fault, then why is joe still with warren?

**Drunk Punch** · 05-12-2008, 12:43 AM

Honestly, I think Calzaghe has left it too late in the day to be universally respected by the US audience. He is past his prime and spent his best years fighting way below his true potential. We will never know what a prime JC (one that could still **** with his punches) could do against a prime RJJ. The Hopkins fight was just an ugly spectacle and certainly not a showcase for what JC is capable of. Styles make fights at the end of the day. A convincing win over Pavlik is the only fight I think that would guarantee JC more credibility than he current enjoys Stateside.

The 'what if he was black' argument is just banal.

**Mizzou** · 05-12-2008, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by lfcdynasty

Seeing the truely extreme (insane) lengths that Americans will go to discredit Calzaghe's achievements, i realize just how bitter America are towards anything they cant call their own.

Now my question is if Joe was African American (I say African American because everybody knows American athletes are not available in white) Do you think he would be considered a great? do you think ppl would still be saying hopkins won the fight?

I think if Joe was white and American they would be calling him the greatest to ever put on a pair of gloves.

in short, America wish Joe was theirs.

One of the worst posts I've seen in a while, stick to british culture of wherever you reside.

**Sweet Pea 50** · 05-12-2008, 12:43 AM

This might be the dumbest thread to be ever recorded. I mean REALLY...

**THe TRiNiTY** · 05-12-2008, 12:44 AM

Wrong. I'd actually hate him a bit if he was American. Lol. He'd have had even MORE chances to fight more worthy names, and still managed to get to that task WAY late in his career.

As a U.K. fighter, you can say that he feared getting ripped off in a foreign country, (and rightfully so) and therefore, chose not to fight here until it was the last leg of his career. So, the thread is completely ass wrong.

**BmoreBrawler** · 05-12-2008, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by MizzzouMan

One of the worst posts I've seen in a while, stick to british culture of wherever you reside.

agreed

**Sin City** · 05-12-2008, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by ani4ani

Honestly, I think Calzaghe has left it too late in the day to be universally respected by the US audience. He is past his prime and spent his best years fighting way below his true potential. We will never know what a prime JC (one that could still **** with his punches) could do against a prime RJJ. The Hopkins fight was just an ugly spectacle and certainly not a showcase for what JC is capable of. Styles make fights at the end of the day. A convincing win over Pavlik is the only fight I think that would guarantee JC more credibility than he current enjoys Stateside.

The 'what if he was black' argument is just banal.

Great post.. It's too late now.
What could have been is not what was.

African American Joe Calz