Who is a better HW than Muhammad Ali?

[T-97]

I never said they WOULD, I said they're CAPABLE....the modern day big, skilled and powerful heavyweights like Wlad, Lewis and Vitali would give Ali a ****load of trouble and have a good chance of beating Ali.

Then i apologize. I thought you were saying that they would beat Ali without a doubt.

[KESSLER]

When was his prime? Ali was 29 when Frazier beat him, 31 when Norton beat him, 21 when Cooper almost knocked him out. Ali was great, but anyone is beatable.

He did get robbed from his prime years when they took his liscense.
But there is guys who is capable of beating him. Such as Lewis

[deanrw]

I never said they WOULD, I said they're CAPABLE....the modern day big, skilled and powerful heavyweights like Wlad, Lewis and Vitali would give Ali a ****load of trouble and have a good chance of beating Ali.

I'm going to post the same response to you that I made in another thread as I find it fitting:

"Many this day seem to think that today's athletes are better due to conditioning etc. In some aspects that is true and it can make a particular fighter better than without that conditioning.

What they fail to realize, is that boxing's gene pool is much smaller now than it used to be. Right up into the 80's, Boxing was still a huge sport and the amount of people entering the game was multiple times larger than it is now.

To young athletes, boxing is no longer a first choice for them to get into. You have less people entering the sport, thus the potential for finding special fighters is dramatically reduced.

When Ali was in his prime, he was the top dog over other heavyweights who themselves, would make today's crop of heavyweights look rather amateurish."

[WLAD OWNS]

I'm going to post the same response to you that I made in another thread as I find it fitting:

"Many this day seem to thing that today's athletes are better due to conditioning etc. In some aspects that is true and it can make a particular fighter better than without that conditioning.

What they fail to realize, is that boxing's gene pool is much smaller now than it used to be. Right up into the 80's, Boxing was still a huge sport and the amount of people entering the game was multiple times larger than it is now.

To young athletes, boxing is no longer a first choice for them to get into. You have less people entering the sport, thus the potential for finding special fighters is dramatically reduced.

When Ali was in his prime, he was the top dog over other heavyweights who themselves, would make today's crop of heavyweights look rather amateurish."

You're entitled to your own OPINION.

[micky_knox]

Nobody was better than Ali


The end.

[T-97]

You're entitled to your own OPINION.

Thats true.

However, i have to say. Your opinion does seem rather biased at times. Not that i care tbh, i like Wlad.

[Scott9945]

When was his prime? Ali was 29 when Frazier beat him, 31 when Norton beat him, 21 when Cooper almost knocked him out. Ali was great, but anyone is beatable.

I believe that Ali's prime was the period he was forced into being inactive. Normally 29 would have been his prime, but he was still trying to shake off the rust from an almost four year layoff. So IMO, the closest thing to his true prime was in 1967.

[Sin City]

Joe Louis..

[TheGreatA]

When was his prime? Ali was 29 when Frazier beat him, 31 when Norton beat him, 21 when Cooper almost knocked him out. Ali was great, but anyone is beatable.

I'd say in 1966 and 1967.
You can't discredit Frazier's or Norton's wins because Ali was certainly a hell of a fighter when they fought him but I'd say Ali was at his best before the long layoff.


No one can say this Ali was badly diminished. Frazier was simply ready to walk through anything to get to Ali.
Great fight and Ali's other two wins over Frazier shouldn't be discredited either.


Here's Ali against the 6'6 WBA champion Ernie Terrell who was a pretty good fighter IMO.


Joe Frazier

[Jim Jeffries]

That video has Gus Ruhlin and Tom Sharkey fights with Jeffries, which took place between 1897-99. The existing footage was too grainy for you to even recognize who was who, let along make an assessment as to Jeffries being a superior fighter to anyone.

Jeffries had 8 wins against HOFers and was undefeated till he came back to fight Jack Johson, 6 years without so much as a tuneup fight, and he still went 15 rounds. Johnson himself said Jeffries was the greatest HW champ ever.