UFC Champion B.J Penn Disses Floyd Mayweather

[Don Corleone]

Lidell did his thing in Pride? Ummm, he if by his thing you mean barely beating a gassed Ovreem who was kicking his ass all over the place and then being just brutalized and beaten down by Rampage (scaring Dana I might add) means "doing his thing" then yeah I guess he "did his thing". Got exposed.

I'm not saying Chuck isn't a good fighter. He's just very overrated. Look up the word overrated, it means higher up than they deserve to be. This is mostly because he's the posterboy for the casual MMA fan and the causal armchair TUF guy who thinks he knows about fighting.

Chuck has primarily spent his career beating up on grapplers by getting them into slug fests because of his size and good takedown defense.

The only good STRIKERS he has decisively beaten are:

Alistair Ovreem


Barely Beaten:

W. Silva (way past done btw, suffered two career ending KOs before fighting chuck under completely different rules that play against his strength).

Vitor Belfort (took the fight on a week and half notice).

Please name some other monster MMA strikers that Chuck has beaten. If you're such a Chuck fan you'll know. Hint: there is one, and he's Brazilian.

I don't think he is overated. He beat great guys and Couture is probobly his most notable compeition. People think he was overated because he was beating everyone and was hyped at the same time. You shouldn't discredit his career by trying to challenge which striker he has beaten. He hadn't faught many strikers to begin with. The only one I can think of that you might be talking about is Sobral or Belfort. Liddell mostly faught guys with wrestling styles and submission fighters

[1bad65]

If you don't think their talent matches what we have in boxing, I suggest you put your keyboard down and visit a MMA gym.

Good one. However I'm sure no one will take you up on that.

[Hagler★]

but if overeem gassed and lidell still had enough to finish him off doesnt that mean credit goes to lidell especially after 9 minutes of gettin 'his ass kicked'.
even if lidell was expectin a walk over what he was expectin and the reality are 2 diff things he was entering a diff organisation against a man with 8 pride fights under his belt

[Left Hook Tua]

barely beaten by ko in the 1st ok mate. in ur first foray into a different kind of fighting to what you are used to and coming up against a very good practioner in ur 2nd fight a 1in2 record isnt bad.
i never sed im such a chuck fan but u cannot discredit the man. sobral was originally a wrestler that learnt vale tudo i think but lidell also beat that pele dude who was a decent striker

i think sobral was a muay thai fighter who learned luta livre (vale tudo is not a style it's what they call "no holds barred" fighting it means "anything goes")

don't quote me on this 'cause i might be wrong but i thought renato was originally a kickboxer/muay thai fighter/striker who learned "luta livre" and he later hooked up with the gracies for promotion and better grappling. i think i even heard he fought capoeira too before mma but i don't know.

"luta livre" was a style invented by kickboxers , boxers and wrestlers who joined together against all the jiu-jitsu guys that were consistently beating them in brazil.

[Hagler★]

i think sobral was a muay thai fighter who learned luta livre (vale tudo is not a style it's what they call "no holds barred" fighting it means "anything goes")

don't quote me on this 'cause i might be wrong but i thought renato was originally a kickboxer/muay thai fighter/striker who learned "luta livre" and he later hooked up with the gracies for promotion and better grappling. i think i even heard he fought capoeira too before mma but i don't know.

"luta livre" was a style invented by kickboxers , boxers and wrestlers who joined together against all the jiu-jitsu guys that were consistently beating them in brazil.

i will wiki and get bak to u lol

[Hagler★]

'Sobral's background is in wrestling Before joining the Gracie Barra Combat Team, he was a Brazilian national wrestling champion and was trained in Ruas Vale Tudo, a martial arts system developed by Marco Ruas'

i fort so

[bsrizpac]

i think sobral was a muay thai fighter who learned luta livre (vale tudo is not a style it's what they call "no holds barred" fighting it means "anything goes")

don't quote me on this 'cause i might be wrong but i thought renato was originally a kickboxer/muay thai fighter/striker who learned "luta livre" and he later hooked up with the gracies for promotion and better grappling. i think i even heard he fought capoeira too before mma but i don't know.

"luta livre" was a style invented by kickboxers , boxers and wrestlers who joined together against all the jiu-jitsu guys that were consistently beating them in brazil.

Yeah I was talking about Pele. Pele was a great striker. One of of Chucks best wins. Pele was EXTREMELY small but this was back in the open weight days......

As for Luta Livre you're basically correct.

[Left Hook Tua]

i will wiki and get bak to u lol

ha ha ha

thanks. not a pro boxingscene debater yet.

too lazy to pull videos and look up stats and stuff. some of you guys here are just nuts sometimes. :-)

[Hagler★]

wow the first discussion on this site that hasnt ended in name calling. we all deserve medals

[Left Hook Tua]

'Sobral's background is in wrestling Before joining the Gracie Barra Combat Team, he was a Brazilian national wrestling champion and was trained in Ruas Vale Tudo, a martial arts system developed by Marco Ruas'

i fort so

okay. maybe that's why i thought his background was kickboxing because of the marco ruas connection.

ruas vale tudo=luta livre. these brazilian guys love naming their style after themselves.

just like gracie jiu-jitsu=kodokan/kosen judo

maybe floyd should say i don't do "boxing" i do "mayweather ring generalship"