Travis Walker Recovering, Looks To Peter

[Mr. David]

DAVID- You make a good point, if a trifle ascerbic. As I've said, I'm a poor computer operator, but if you can tell me how to transfer a Video clip to you, say on your private Email, I'd be happy to send you Larry Merchant's complete interview, in which he discusses the validity of klitschko's "thigh" injury, which actually turned out to be a spine problem. you can hear him say that he spoke to the operating surgeon himself and VERIFIED the facts.

If you can't tell me, or I can't do it, I'll be happy to take the time, (probably quite a while) to look it up in my videos and name the event, the date, and even, if you require, transcribe exactly what was said. I can't do better than that, and only offer because you have become so negative.

Edgar, I'm a bit caustic because it's taken years between you and I to get to this point. And my apologies for the tone -- this (the injuries, the number of delays, anything and everything involved in a fighting family of which you are clearly a big fan) is just our single bone of contention, no pun intended.

If you know how to get a video file onto your computer, you can either load it onto YouTube or YouSendIt, or, barring that, you can send me a PM and I'll let you know where best to e-mail it.

It's possible that I also have on tape whatever HBO broadcast you're referring to, but I cannot guarantee such a thing. And I'd still find it curious that such a revelation never was picked up by any other person.

But let this be our discovery process. Let's see what you have. And again, apologies for the tone.

[edgarg]

Edgar, I'm a bit caustic because it's taken years between you and I to get to this point. And my apologies for the tone -- this (the injuries, the number of delays, anything and everything involved in a fighting family of which you are clearly a big fan) is just our single bone of contention, no pun intended.

If you know how to get a video file onto your computer, you can either load it onto YouTube or YouSendIt, or, barring that, you can send me a PM and I'll let you know where best to e-mail it.

It's possible that I also have on tape whatever HBO broadcast you're referring to, but I cannot guarantee such a thing. And I'd still find it curious that such a revelation never was picked up by any other person.

But let this be our discovery process. Let's see what you have. And again, apologies for the tone.

David, no apology needed. I had an idea it was YOU! And you have been quite proper, moderate even. It'll take quite a while, because I have literally hundreds of fights, some of which I haven't ever labelled, (always meaning to) and I'm sure you must have it too. This thread will probably be long gone by the time I find it. Maybe I'll you in print and contact you then. It is a good idea for me to look for it, since that point comes up all the time. In the meantime, retain a noncommittal opinion, and don't bet money against it, because I'm positive. It has to be on a tape somewhere between WK's Eliseo Castillo or Sam Peter fight, or maybe Williamson (of which I have only a short clip) it had to be around the fall of 2005. Of course it could have been an addendum to another HBO fight of about that period, and although i didn't date them, I have most names on the labels I DO have. Phew....

Actually, you are mistaken in that I am not a big fan. I like to watch them, but my "fan" days were when Gaspar Ortega was on, or even Marvellous Marvin. I also like Camacho, and a few others, but can do without them all. The last fighter I really liked to watch was Tokunbo Olajide.

Yet.......if there's boxing on, I watch them all.

Did you find the affikomen this year?

[edgarg]

Edgar, I'm a bit caustic because it's taken years between you and I to get to this point. And my apologies for the tone -- this (the injuries, the number of delays, anything and everything involved in a fighting family of which you are clearly a big fan) is just our single bone of contention, no pun intended.

If you know how to get a video file onto your computer, you can either load it onto YouTube or YouSendIt, or, barring that, you can send me a PM and I'll let you know where best to e-mail it.

It's possible that I also have on tape whatever HBO broadcast you're referring to, but I cannot guarantee such a thing. And I'd still find it curious that such a revelation never was picked up by any other person.

But let this be our discovery process. Let's see what you have. And again, apologies for the tone.

I wrote to you about 30 minutes ago, but don't it printed. In it I mentioned that I have hundreds of tapes and it was a good idea for me to do it, anyway because the point always comes up. I also asked about the afikomen.

So for the past while I've been crawling around on the carpet looking for, and at tapes. It'll take a while. But I suddenly got a thought. You know how to contact Larry Merchant. Why not Email him and ask him about it. He'll tell you exactly what I've said, and he'll also be able to tell you which fight he was working at when he discussed it. And that'll settle it. I'll keep looking, but if you hear anything before I find it, PLEASE let me know. You have my email i think, as I probably have yours.

[edgarg]

I wrote to you about 30 minutes ago, but don't it printed. In it I mentioned that I have hundreds of tapes and it was a good idea for me to do it, anyway because the point always comes up. I also asked about the afikomen.

So for the past while I've been crawling around on the carpet looking for, and at tapes. It'll take a while. But I suddenly got a thought. You know how to contact Larry Merchant. Why not Email him and ask him about it. He'll tell you exactly what I've said, and he'll also be able to tell you which fight he was working at when he discussed it. And that'll settle it. I'll keep looking, but if you hear anything before I find it, PLEASE let me know. You have my email i think, as I probably have yours.

David- My computer knowledge again...... I've just seen my letter which I thought hadn't been printed.

[Hitman932]

He's a guy whose first fight was against a hambone who had 9 losses-NO WINS in his career. Of his 27-1 record, I think about 17 were against guys with less than 50% records. Most of them a LOT less. His Best opponent seems to have been marcus Rhode, whose record was 29-26.

So we have CARLISLE'S word for it that he's a Klitschko killer. Personally, I need a lot more than that!!

travis walker might beat tye fields, however povetkin or peter would knock him out

there was a training video for travis on the main page before he fought the rematch with wilson. the footage showed walker sparring with tony thompson and he was getting badly schooled from start to finish.

walker had a draw with jason gavern, that pretty much says it all

[Carlisle]

First of all I train at Main Boxing gym with Travis. My trainer is Dwight Pratchett who trains Travis. So my accounts are from the trainer and the fighter. I gave you quotes because thats what you go bye. It happened.. accept it. Travis floored him with a hook to the body on Friday and Butler followed up on Saturday. Its as simple as that.

Thanks CARLISLE- you are really banking your career on this eh?? As I've just posted look up Boxingscene. Neither of the 2 fighters actually claimed to have committed the heroic deed....with Klitshko in HEADGEAR, this would have made ANY fighter's reputation for LIFE.....I wonder why they didn't and HAVEN'T claimed this since??
DeVarryl Williamson was in the camp and sparred with klitchko only the day before. (which is when Butler was supposed to have done the foul deed)

HE's never mentioned it. And if anyone would have known....HE WOULD.!!

All the claims have been made by what Joe Goosen "heard" or some unmentioned "believed" or whatever.

When Tyson was KD'd in by Greg Paige in sparring, they had a video of it. Where's the Klitschko video?? And in boxing history, there have often been reports of champions KD'd in training. It could not be covered up. Too many people around and involved, if such a thing had ever really happened.

But if you can produce actual authentic, unfalsified proof, I'd be delighted to read and/or see it. I'm no snob.[/QUOTE]

[edgarg]

First of all I train at Main Boxing gym with Travis. My trainer is Dwight Pratchett who trains Travis. So my accounts are from the trainer and the fighter. I gave you quotes because thats what you go bye. It happened.. accept it. Travis floored him with a hook to the body on Friday and Butler followed up on Saturday. Its as simple as that.


Thanks CARLISLE- you are really banking your career on this eh?? As I've just posted look up Boxingscene. Neither of the 2 fighters actually claimed to have committed the heroic deed....with Klitshko in HEADGEAR, this would have made ANY fighter's reputation for LIFE.....I wonder why they didn't and HAVEN'T claimed this since??
DeVarryl Williamson was in the camp and sparred with klitchko only the day before. (which is when Butler was supposed to have done the foul deed)

HE's never mentioned it. And if anyone would have known....HE WOULD.!!

All the claims have been made by what Joe Goosen "heard" or some unmentioned "believed" or whatever.

When Tyson was KD'd in by Greg Paige in sparring, they had a video of it. Where's the Klitschko video?? And in boxing history, there have often been reports of champions KD'd in training. It could not be covered up. Too many people around and involved, if such a thing had ever really happened.

But if you can produce actual authentic, unfalsified proof, I'd be delighted to read and/or see it. I'm no snob.

[/QUOTE]
CARLISLE- Thanks for the info. But all the news items quote K himself saying that on the THURSDAY, he heard a loud crackling noise in his knee accompanied by severe pain, so he immediately stopped. He then had various braces fitted by specialized medical folks, (this was also reported everywhere) but they gave him NO stability when he tried to continue the next day. His leg would go in whatever direction it wanted. he couldn't control it. So he knew he had to cancel the fight. (just curious, was Walker there when Klitschko said that he couldn't even last half a round, and that his principles were worth more to him than 8 mill? This has been much reported, especially in Europe)

The above story about the knee noise of ligaments breaking and tearing doesn't exactly isn't exactly the same as the story of his legs becoming entangled, although they're mutually reciprocal, and Klitschko has been widely reported to have said both. But what we read are editor-selected parts of his comments, therefore both the bone noise and the leg entanglement could be made in the same statement, but later divided to make two reports. Quite common.

When the above is considered, it's not impossible that AFTER the injury, caused as announced, that K could have been pushed down or staggered in a cautious "tryout" the next day, since he was very keen to have that fight with Rahman.

But to accept that the World Heavyweight Champ, with 34 KO's from 35 fights, weighing 250 lbs, at his peak, and with a padded helmet, specifically NOTED for NEVER having been knocked down, could be legitimately downed by 2 prelim fighters of limited skills, in SPARRING, which is mainly for practicing movement and technique, is LUDICROUS.

That your specified time is AFTER the dreadful career ending injury, is very revealing, in I can accept that he may have gone down but it would not have been from a punch, but from the failure of his knee brace to support him. All the evidence points this way, and is supported by the fact that neither fighter has EVER publicly claimed a legitimate KD. We've all see him fall down in the ring having become entangled with an opponent, so it's easy possible.

Maybe what I've just worked out is the real answer to this clinging controversy. What do you think??

[HeartAttack]

well back to Walker after all this Klitschko talk. Travis should fight Povetkin, but could get more money fighting Peter. Peter's people wanted Chapman instead of mcCline last year and them pursuing Walker seems to be along their thought process. However, Povetkin gives Walker a better chance of winning with how busy he is coupled with is chin which gives Wlaker an opportunity to land a money punch. I have Travis losing to both Povetkin and Peter but the kid has a future in the division and even more so if he would learn how to truly fight on the inside.