What if: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Joe Calzaghe Prime for Prime

[bsrizpac]

the knock down wasn't a shame
it showed that joe could get up and still destroy that old ****

If by destroy you mean "wing punches in the air, patting the shoulders arms and back" constantly en route to a Olympic style points victory then yeah.

I guess since we've redifined how we judge Pro Boxing for Oscar and Joe, we can now redifine the word "destroy" when referring to Joe.

Right.

[abadger]

Umm the ONLY pressure fight jones ever lost to was Glen Johnson. And that's late in his career. In fact when Tarver KOed him it was with a counter punch. Also the third tarver fight was a dance, the pressure was pretty rare there.

So basically even your point about people exploiting his vulnerabilities to pressure in his later career is pretty suspect.

Perhaps I didn't make it clear what I meant when I talked Jone's vulnerability under pressure. I should have used the words "defensively suspect". I am in complete agreement that a come forward "pressure fighter" style is made for Jones, what I meant was that Jones has looked suspect at several times in his career when definitively forced onto the back foot by his opponent, whether that fighter be a volume puncher, boxer, counter puncher whatever. How troubled Jones was also depended to a large extent on the quality of his opponent.

I did explain this but it seems to have been missed. The bottom line in this for me is that Jones sometimes appeared lacking in the technical fundamentals to fight effectively on the inside, and relied way too much on his reflexes to keep him out of trouble. He would also lean his head back on the ropes and often do nothing but wait for his opponent to stop punching or the referee to break them. Jones did improve technically as his career went on, but ultimately he was caught out, as his KOs show.

I also acknowledge that for the most part any deficiencies in his game were rendered largely irrelevant because of his incredible speed and reflexes, but that doesn't mean they weren't there. It is therefore possible that they could have been exploited. In discussing Prime Jones v Prime Calzaghe, we are after all discussing hypotheticals. Overall I still pick Jones to decision Calzaghe, but as I've posted before, to discount a fighter of Calzaghe's quality completely is ludicrous.
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One Vaporizer

[Technical_Skill]

The legendary RJJ stopped twice by mediocre fighters within a 4 month period. Yet morons like yourself worship him.

Was that in his prime?

No

Are we talking about Primes?
Yes

So what the **** are you on about?

I dont know

[THE REED]

Was that in his prime?

No

Are we talking about Primes?
Yes

So what the **** are you on about?

I dont know

[bsrizpac]

Perhaps I didn't make it clear what I meant when I talked Jone's vulnerability under pressure. I should have used the words "defensively suspect". I am in complete agreement that a come forward "pressure fighter" style is made for Jones, what I meant was that Jones has looked suspect at several times in his career when definitively forced onto the back foot by his opponent, whether that fighter be a volume puncher, boxer, counter puncher whatever. How troubled Jones was also depended to a large extent on the quality of his opponent.

I did explain this but it seems to have been missed. The bottom line in this for me is that Jones sometimes appeared lacking in the technical fundamentals to fight effectively on the inside, and relied way too much on his reflexes to keep him out of trouble. He would also lean his head back on the ropes and often do nothing but wait for his opponent to stop punching or the referee to break them. Jones did improve technically as his career went on, but ultimately he was caught out, as his KOs show.

I also acknowledge that for the most part any deficiencies in his game were rendered largely irrelevant because of his incredible speed and reflexes, but that doesn't mean they weren't there. It is therefore possible that they could have been exploited. In discussing Prime Jones v Prime Calzaghe, we are after all discussing hypotheticals. Overall I still pick Jones to decision Calzaghe, but as I've posted before, to discount a fighter of Calzaghe's quality completely is ludicrous.

My actual point here was that your point about him having that deficiency you describe (to pressure fighters) being exploited later on in his career (Taver/Johnson) is incorrect since it only happened ONE time.

[bsrizpac]

You said and I quote:

Jones did improve technically as his career went on, but ultimately he was caught out, as his KOs show.

Since you didn't read what I wrote, I'll say it again:

He was KOed by a counter punch.

KOed by pressure once.

Then beaten in a dance off.

So how does that show his technical deficiencies to pressure?

[ßringer]

Most of Joe's fans think he's in his prime right now, most experts would also agree that his age hasn't slowed his fluidity. That said, Jones would make him look even worse than Hopkins did if he were still prime today. Hell, after seeing how bad Joe looked against Bernard I'd pick Jones now to make Joe look bad.

[Technical_Skill]

Most of Joe's fans think he's in his prime right now, most experts would also agree that his age hasn't slowed his fluidity. That said, Jones would make him look even worse than Hopkins did if he were still prime today. Hell, after seeing how bad Joe looked against Bernard I'd pick Jones now to make Joe look bad.

I would pick calzaghe over jones now, but some of these fans refuse to accept he even looked bad against hopkins.

I seen a couple hoes score the fight 116-112 calzaghe, was the **** is going on there, if i wanna a see a slapper in action, i'll pop to the whorehouse.

[SlappyMcCrappy]

Calzaghe couldn't carry Roy's Jock strap!

[ßringer]

I would pick calzaghe over jones now, but some of these fans refuse to accept he even looked bad against hopkins.

I seen a couple hoes score the fight 116-112 calzaghe, was the **** is going on there, if i wanna a see a slapper in action, i'll pop to the whorehouse.

114-113 for Hopkins is the only score you can logically come to for that fight. That was as even as a fight gets, 6 rounds a piece. I laughed my ass off when they were showing replays after round 7 or 8 and Joe's rushing in, slapping at Bernard wildly. He looked like a girl in a playground catfight, even Lederman joked about Joe's "amateurish slaps".