What if: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Joe Calzaghe Prime for Prime

[abadger]

Isn't that what you said?

How is it possible to know he never looked good under pressure if no one was able to exploit it? Because fighters started landing good shots when he was in his mid 30's? Or maybe I read wrong.

OK.

This is not about who is and is not classified as a "pressure fighter", it is about any fighter, whatever his style, who was able at any point in a fight to get inside or around Jones offense and put him on the defensive.

On those occasions, to me Jones looked pretty vulnerable, short on ideas and lacking the technical ability to disrupt his opponents attack, often relying on leaning back over the ropes with his head to keep out of range, a fundamental no-no, or even just waiting for his opponent to stop punching, while throwing little or nothing in return.

If you don't think that that this clearly observable tendency is not an exploitable defensive frailty then you are just ignoring the facts. As I've said before, Jones did not win every fight in his career, so in fact these defensive frailties were eventually exploited. I don't see how you can deny any of this. He was gifted enough that he was able to get away with it for a long time, but the problem is plainly there for all to see in plenty of his fights, and culminated in several losses.

If you are not prepared to admit to even a single flaw in Roy Jones, even one that is widely acknowledged and clearly visible, then there really is nothing more for me to say.
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[RichCCFC]

Jones UD, I'm voting for Calzaghe in this poll anyway though.

I don't want a whitewash

[IMDAZED]

This is not about who is and is not classified as a "pressure fighter", it is about any fighter, whatever his style, who was able at any point in a fight to get inside or around Jones offense and put him on the defensive.

LOL, ok.

On those occasions, to me Jones looked pretty vulnerable, short on ideas and lacking the technical ability to disrupt his opponents attack, often relying on leaning back over the ropes with his head to keep out of range, a fundamental no-no, or even just waiting for his opponent to stop punching, while throwing little or nothing in return.

Please point out the instances when Jones looked PRETTY VULNERABLE, SHORT ON IDEAS and LACKING THE TECHNICAL ABILITY TO DISRUPT HIS OPPONENT'S ATTACK. When did you see this during Jones' reign at 168? THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.

If you don't think that that this clearly observable tendency is not an exploitable defensive frailty then you are just ignoring the facts. As I've said before, Jones did not win every fight in his career, so in fact these defensive frailties were eventually exploited. I don't see how you can deny any of this. He was gifted enough that he was able to get away with it for a long time, but the problem is plainly there for all to see in plenty of his fights, and culminated in several losses.

We're talking prime versus prime. Can we stick to the topic?

If you are not prepared to admit to even a single flaw in Roy Jones, even one that is widely acknowledged and clearly visible, then there really is nothing more for me to say.

Are you slow? When did I say Jones was flawless? I said he had problems with counterpunchers and boxers, NOT those who applied pressure. You disagree. Are we done here?

[abadger]

LOL, ok.



Please point out the instances when Jones looked PRETTY VULNERABLE, SHORT ON IDEAS and LACKING THE TECHNICAL ABILITY TO DISRUPT HIS OPPONENT'S ATTACK. When did you see this during Jones' reign at 168? THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.


We're talking prime versus prime. Can we stick to the topic?


Are you slow? When did I say Jones was flawless? I said he had problems with counterpunchers and boxers, NOT those who applied pressure. You disagree. Are we done here?

I've answered you and said everything I need to on this point. If you simply choose to ignore what i say that's up to you. It's you who talks about "pressure fighter" I never used the word, likewise the flaws in Jones game have been widely visible in a great many of his fights and in fact attracted repeated comment. I personally have seen him do the things I've talked about in most of the fights I've seen.
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[IMDAZED]

Jones's speed makes him a very heavy favourite to win by UD.

I give a prime Calzaghe a chance though. Jones has a lot of flaws in his technical game, especially defensively, he never looked good under pressure and could often appear vulnerable, just no-one was ever able to exploit it. We know he is vulnerable to KO so Calzaghe has a chance if he could somehow turn it into a real war. No easy task.

This is what you said. And that's what I responded to. Backtrack all you want. When I pressed for an example of when a prime Jones never looked good under pressure and appeared vulnerable...you chose Pazienza

I rest my case. Thanks for all the essays.

[~Lucky13~]

prime rjj ****** vs southpaws
calzaghe easily TKOs Roy the way that southpaw Tarver did

[IMDAZED]

prime rjj ****** vs southpaws
calzaghe easily TKOs Roy the way that southpaw Tarver did

I kinda think you're right. No, he didn't suck but he wasn't as good. Then again, who is?

The second part of your statement is homerism at it's best.

[~Lucky13~]

I kinda think you're right. No, he didn't suck but he wasn't as good. Then again, who is?

The second part of your statement is homerism at it's best.

Roy has a glassy chin, it wasn't proven until he finally stepped up in competition.

[Jim Jeffries]

Closer than most people on here think. Prime Joe with good hands has a shot at Roy's china jaw, and like some have said, he had trouble with southpaws. Roy would most likely win, but that doesn't mean Calzaghe sucks, you'd be lucky to find more than a few LHWs in history that you could outright say would beat RJJ. And Joe isn't a LHW.

[ElGranLuchador]

calzaghe cant be defeated hes too smart always addapt to styles
i think he would ko jones jr cuz of his suspect chin in the eight