So I just did my own punchstats for BH vs. JC and...

[βetamax]

Hopkins was cheating the entire fight and the ref never took points off, so whats the point of saying Hopkins was robbed when he cheated the entire fight?

Gtf out of here with this crap, I could care less if hopkins won on points. He cheated and should have been dq'd or atleast deducted points for clinching and headbutting his way. He ****ing cheated, you don't give cheaters the victory.

If the fight was scored correctly, Hopkins would have lost 2-3 points on cheating alone.

Americans cheating with Joe Cortez pampering there fighters

Go back and watch how many times Calzaghe hit Hopkins on the back, back of the head, and the low blows. I'm not saying Hopkins was a perfect gentlemen but lets not just point the finger at him.

Judges watch boxing in real time like we do. They don't have the benefit of watching it again or slowing it down to see who is doing what.

Maybe Boxing could have something like the NFL does. Officials grading the performance of judges in big money fights and picking the best for the championship matches. Kind of like a review committee.


And from what I understand, to be a judge in a high profile fight requires no specific skill set.

Just seems strange to me.

Yep, I said this in another post. I'm not mad at the decision because if I didn't have the luxury of slo-mo I may have scored it for Calzaghe so I'm not mad at the decision though I disagree with it.

[BmoreBrawler]

...it confirmed what I and a lot of others have suspected all along - it's a complete joke. I watched the first 3 rounds in slow motion (it's time consuming, maybe I'll get to the rest of the rounds later) scoring for Calzaghe since he is who I suspect has the more deceptive numbers based on his higher punch volume. The first round numbers were fairly close but the next 2 were horrific. I found roughly 50% less punches landed then Compubox and 90% of them were TAPS to the body and head, mainly during clenching...and these are being scored as "power punches" since they aren't jabs. 50% less is also being generous and giving the benefit of the doubt since in some cases the action was blocked.

I challenge anyone to do the same and I think you'll get similar results.

I found similar discrepancies when I scored Mayweather/Oscar.

[chessplayer163]

Go back and watch how many times Calzaghe hit Hopkins on the back, back of the head, and the low blows. I'm not saying Hopkins was a perfect gentlemen but lets not just point the finger at him.



Yep, I said this in another post. I'm not mad at the decision because if I didn't have the luxury of slo-mo I may have scored it for Calzaghe so I'm not mad at the decision though I disagree with it.

You should be mad! These are pro judges, not ignorant boxing fans that don't even know how to score w/criteria. There supposed to be able to see the punches quickly. I've been to live fights ringside and it is possible to score the fights and see what going on.

[βetamax]

You should be mad! These are pro judges, not ignorant boxing fans that don't even know how to score w/criteria. There supposed to be able to see the punches quickly. I've been to live fights ringside and it is possible to score the fights and see what going on.

ok, the 116-111 score was kind of ridiculous but 114-113 for Calzaghe is reasonable. I had it 114-113 for Hopkins after watching it in slo-mo which is only a 1 round difference.

[Guest]

You should be mad! These are pro judges, not ignorant boxing fans that don't even know how to score w/criteria. There supposed to be able to see the punches quickly. I've been to live fights ringside and it is possible to score the fights and see what going on.

I don't believe there is any special qualification to be a "pro judge" though.

[chessplayer163]

I don't believe there is any special qualification to be a "pro judge" though.

Yes there is. The NEVADA boxing commission has a process for all the judges to go through. It's pretty detailed, there was an article a while back on Maxboxing about it, I'll try and find it.

[daggum]

You should be mad! These are pro judges, not ignorant boxing fans that don't even know how to score w/criteria. There supposed to be able to see the punches quickly. I've been to live fights ringside and it is possible to score the fights and see what going on.

using the scoring criteria under the rules of boxing hopkins didn't lose. if you score a fight under your own rules like clinching, leading with your head, crying about low blows then yeah hopkins lost but those arent viable scoring criteria when judging boxing.

[Guest]

Yes there is. The NEVADA boxing commission has a process for all the judges to go through. It's pretty detailed, there was an article a while back on Maxboxing about it, I'll try and find it.

Send it over to me if you can. That was not my understanding. There didn't appear to be any special qualifications, like a battery of tests you had to pass, etc.

I am curious to see it.

Thanks,

[chessplayer163]

PRO juding

Send it over to me if you can. That was not my understanding. There didn't appear to be any special qualifications, like a battery of tests you had to pass, etc.

I am curious to see it.

Thanks,

Couldn't find the article but here is the requirements for the NEVADA Athletic Commission. They need to pass a test and internship.

467.062 - Requirements for license as referee, judge or timekeeper; expiration and renewal of license; system to grade skills of ring officials.

1. To qualify for a license as a referee, judge or timekeeper of boxing contests, an applicant must:
1. Be at least 21 years of age;
2. Not have been convicted of a felony or other crime involving turpitude;
3. Submit verifications from three persons of his proficiency as a referee, judge or timekeeper, whichever is appropriate; and
4. Except as otherwise provided in this section, successfully pass the commission's examination on chapter 467 of NRS and this chapter and successfully complete an internship as established by the commission.
2. In lieu of the examination and internship, the commission may accept satisfactory evidence of equivalent qualifications possessed by an applicant who:
1. Is currently licensed in another state or country; or
2. Formerly held a Nevada license which lapsed in good standing.
3. A person holding a current Nevada license or who formerly held a Nevada license which lapsed in good standing may be licensed by the commission without examination or internship to perform an officiating function other than that for which he is or was licensed if the commission determines that he is qualified to perform that function.
4. The commission will determine when additional ring officials are needed and when licensing examination for ring officials will be conducted.
5. Each license issued pursuant to this section is valid until December 31 of each year. An application for renewal must be submitted to the commission by December 1 of each year accompanied by the appropriate renewal fee. The renewal of a license is not automatic. The commission will consider the applicant's past performance and abilities in evaluating his application for renewal.
6. The commission will establish and carry out a system to grade the skills of its ring officials. The commission will notify its licensees of this system upon it establishment. The commission and its staff will consider those grades in its selection of a ring official to participate in an event and in its decision regarding whether to renew the license of such an official.
7. The renewal fee:
1. For a judge is $50.
2. For a timekeeper is $50.
3. For a referee is $75.

[Scott9945]

Of course. People shouldn't believe a statistical system that says De La Hoya landed over 120 punches on Mayweather and that Mayweather landed 220 on De La Hoya. Or that Gatti landed 41 punches on Mayweather. More like 4.

People using Compubox as evidence that Calzaghe won is as bad as Hopkins claiming his unmarked ugly face means he won.

I absolutely love that last line that I highlighted in red. Compubox is for people that don't know how to watch fights (like Lampley). But the bottom line is the judges who scored the fight for Calzaghe didn't see the Compubox stats until after the decision was announced.