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Everyone seems to want to talk about great heavyweights, always ****ing on about Ali, Fraizer, Forman, Holyfield (as if), Holmes.... Is Marciano underrated/overrated. I'll tell you now the most underated Heavey of all time is Sonny Liston, he sould be in the top 5 of anyones heavy list, nobody had a clue how old he was he was almost certainly fighting well into his fifties right at the top of the tree. If only he had not got mixed up in the mob (re Ali) then I truely believe that he would be regarded as the truely awsome fighter that he actually was. You want to talk about how hard Fraizer and Forman hit, Liston had more punch than either.
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"I'll tell you now the most underated Heavey of all time is Sonny Liston, he sould be in the top 5 of anyones heavy list, nobody had a clue how old he was he was almost certainly fighting well into his fifties right at the top of the tree. If only he had not got mixed up in the mob (re Ali) then I truely believe that he would be regarded as the truely awsome fighter that he actually was"
This is contradictory.
You say people should have him in their top 5 of all time, but then go on to say he never got the chance to prove how really good he COULD have been.
We can only rate him off what DID happen. Off of what did happen, he belongs in NO ONE'S top 5 heavies of all time. -
i dont think he hit harder than foreman but I wold probably find somewhere for him in my top ten all time, he was a fearsome man before Ali got inside his head. without doubt, he also had one of the best jabs in heavywieght history a lot of people have Liston down as an out and out brawler not true, his jab was a thing of beauty unless you were in the opposite corner.Comment
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Originally posted by jabsRstiff
It not contradictory in the slightest, you simply don't understand. I'm not refering to who he did or didn't beat. I'm refrence the Ali fights when Liston took a dive for the mob. In actual fact Liston beat anybody out there at the time including Cleveland Willams and Floyd Patterson twice each.
What I'm suggesting is that because of the Ali fight 1&2, he is never given the credit he deserves. Now you can go onto say that he deserves no credit for getting mixed up in the mob if you like but that is a seperate issue.
The great Joe Louis regarded him as the epitame of a heavyweight boxerComment
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Though Liston is only rated around 8-9 on my list, he probably ranks among the top 4 in a who-beats-who list.Comment
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All I'm going of is what you said. What's there to understand ? The facts are...off of what he accomplished, he does not deserve to be in anyone's top 5.Originally posted by pinkpanther
What he could have been & what he was...are two different things.
Greats don't get rated on potential.
You are absolutely free to lament what coulda been.
Say what you want about his two fights with Ali, but they HAPPENED, & they were AWFUL.Comment
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Some people rate off talent and some people rate off accomplishments. Look at the battle for pound for pound #1 spot right now. Mayweather vs. Hopkins. Hopkins' accomplishment out do Mayweather's, but it's the other way around when we talk about the talent..well at least in my opinion it is.Comment
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How can I put this another way...... Taking into acount Listons acievements, I rate him as a top 5 heavy of all time. I think the majority of people, this may not include you JabsRstiff, don't give him enough credit due to the Ali fights.Comment
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dunno mate seems everyone who has posted on this thread has him top ten?Comment
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Wait...
You don't think those Ali fights detract from his greatness ?
They were COWARDLY exhibitions.Comment
to your mom..
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