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Originally posted by mathed View PostHad Vera up 1 round but he was getting sloppy and outboxed when Dzinz was using the jab. Dzinz would land 15 punches and then Vera lands a decent right...I'm not giving a round like that to Vera. If that first KD counted for Vera then that one for Dzinz should have counted too but that didn't matter in the end.
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Originally posted by Russian Crushin View PostAnd which of those did Dzin have? You cant have any of those when the other guy is out landing you with much harder effective punches
Being on the back foot also is not ring generalship.
By your definition, two bruisers colliding in the middle of the ring is what boxing is all about. Not everyone is born with the same capabilities. Boxing skills were developed, in part, so that weaker men could overcome stronger men. You seem to think that less formidable fighters ought to win every time.
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Originally posted by Russian Crushin View PostYea the round you reference was the 9th, Dzin's only good round which he clearly won
& Are you going by percentages as to who won rounds, i dont get it? Vera landed more punches thru 7 rounds, and they were power punches not pitty patty jabs
Originally posted by Russian Crushin View PostYea it was messed up by a jab. They showed the slo mo when the jab messed it up
Means nothing
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Originally posted by Russian Crushin View PostAgain, you win by punches landed, not how many punches you make the other guy miss. Yea Vera isnt an accurate puncher and misses a lot, but he had a very high work rate and landed more punches to compensate for it
Again, I think I've made it clear that I thought Vera was winning, so there's not much point in arguing how many punches he landed.
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Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC View PostVera knew only one direction: forward. He was swinging wildly all night. He was lucky that Dzin decided to hole himself in a corner so many times, otherwise Brian wouldn't have landed much. Sergei was outboxing Vera through much of the rest. Dzin was, indeed, controlling the flow of the action (otherwise known as ring generalship) in the rounds he won.
By your definition, two bruisers colliding in the middle of the ring is what boxing is all about. Not everyone is born with the same capabilities. Boxing skills were developed, in part, so that weaker men could overcome stronger men. You seem to think that less formidable fighters ought to win every time.
I get it, in your opinion boxers win rounds as long as they are cute, have nice footwork and fight going backwards. You dont care about punches landed, which is what winning is about, punches landed. This fight wasnt that much different then Usmanee- Berth, which you somehow scored 6 rounds a piece. For a "brawler" to win rounds on your score card, he has to really kick the other guys ass in the round
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Originally posted by DoktorSleepless View PostI gave only gave Dzi 2 or 3 rounds, but Dzi's jabs weren't pitty pat at all. They were stiff jabs, not shitty pitty pat range finders. It's his main punch
Pitty pats don't do that.
And pitty patty punches can start a cut if landed on the right spot with the other guy running towards you. It wasnt the force of the punch the cut him, it was the placement, right on the brow bridge
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Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC View PostMaking the other guy miss is known by another name: defense. It isn't nearly as important as making solid contact with your punches, but it does count.
Again, I think I've made it clear that I thought Vera was winning, so there's not much point in arguing how many punches he landed.
If a guy throw 100 punches in a round and lands 15 bombs, he loses the round when the other guy throws 50 and lands 10. Making a guy miss doesnt count at all when the other guy beats you up in the round
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Originally posted by Russian Crushin View PostWow this post is just bull****! Dzin was controlling the flow of the action?? Is that a joke? What it his plan to get blasted with power punches all night? Vera was landing them in the middle of the ring as well. Having a "boxer style" doesnt automatically give you better ring generalship
I get it, in your opinion boxers win rounds as long as they are cute, have nice footwork and fight going backwards. You dont care about punches landed, which is what winning is about, punches landed. This fight wasnt that much different then Usmanee- Berth, which you somehow scored 6 rounds a piece. For a "brawler" to win rounds on your score card, he has to really kick the other guys ass in the round
You don't agree with my viewpoint and, frankly, I don't think much of yours. You're overly simplistic. At least a couple of other posters, whose opinion I respect, seem to see things my way. I'm content with that.
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