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thats a good read. you are very good at telling it like it is. a very level headed individual.I know roy isnt what he used to be.
I know his legs dont move like they used to move, and that his lateral movement isnt quite there anymore... which is why I give credit to a veteran fighter for switching his style up this late in the game... Hold your hands up winky style.. so you can see all the punches coming in, using your still intact hand eye coordination to block those punches and look for quick counters, instead of using slowed reflexes to move out of the way with your chin hanging out there...
It takes a lot for someone whose been fighting one way there entire career to switch things up, because they realize they cant quite do it like they used to do it. With that said, lets look at the abilities...
Work Rate: Will absolutely goto Joe... If theres one thing Joe Calzaghe is known for its his work rate. He throws lots of punches, and you better keep up, or your going to lose.
But what Bernard showed is that a great counter puncher will slow anyones work rate down.
Hand speed, Accuracy, and Power: all go to Roy... Hand speed is the only CLOSE candidate, as Joes hands arent exactly slow... AT ALL... But I think the conensus around here would agree Roy still has the hand speed advantage.... and this is what off sets Joe's workrate... Fast hard hands that can hit you at any time, is a problem for a volume puncher. Volumes of punches, leaves volumes of openings. I think accuracy and power are no brainers, as Roy only shoots shots off when he sees openings, and his power is also a no brainer.
Chin: I would give this edge to Joe... obviously with Joe coming up in weight, hes going to have bigger more powerful guys hitting him... and it showed that in the Bernard fight... although I realize it was a flash knockdown... So im not too concerned about Joe's chin, I know he has a great chin... Roys chin.. well, we all know that story... I personally feel the "china chinned" Jones has been slightly exaggerated... People tend to think if a piece of paper hit him in the face he would go into convulsions... Its simply not the case... And Joe doesnt quite hit like an Antonio Tarver, and Roy knows this full well.
Stamina: This edge also goes to Joe.. as hes used to going full 12 rounds always throwing punches... In Roys last 3 fights... Knowing full well none of his last 3 fights are the equivelent of a Joe Calzaghe, But Roy has shown little fatigue in his fights... even with his fight against Hanshaw, where he fought off the ropes for 3/4 of the fight... if you actually watch the fight... his defense was in practice, and he was countering right back all 12 rounds, dropping him in the 11th. Stamina... still goes to Joe, Hands down. But I think Roy has about twice the stamina Bernard has, as Bernard slowed down by the 4 - 5th rounds, and Roys hands stay fully effective all 12 rounds.
Interest: Why is this fight interesting? For me... its more on the Roy side... not because im a fan of his... but more to see, does he still have one more big fight in him... what if he wins? what if he does? what will that do to his career? will it erase some of the sour taste we were left with from 2004-2005? Where will it place him as an ATG? Roy back on the p4p List?!?! what?!
My Personal reason for thinking Roy can win: If theres one thing that we saw in the Bernard fight, that worked against Joe... it was the straight right hand. The only problem was, after 4 or 5 rounds, Bernard lost his speed and his pop... I believe Roy can throw Faster, more accurate, and more powerful straight right hands, an entire 12 rounds.. with the same pop. Also, Bernard didnt throw ANY combinations.. it was ONE straight right hand, and clinch... EVen this old dicrepid cane walking senior citizen roy... still throws combinations, there still fast, still accurate, and still powerful... Should be interesting... and Im definitely going to the fight... anyone else?!??!?!
Joe has the edge in the fight, Roy is the underdog...
Roy should lose this fight...
But when the bell rings... it doesnt matter what your record is... its the blue corner vs the red corner. ding ding.
I personally think that roy could ko calzaghe. if hopkins landed that kind of punch in the first round to kd calzaghe, roy could do WAY better. hops doesn't have the speed, accuracy nor power that roy has and yet he was able to do that. I think if hops had the stamina and conditioning, he could've finished calzaghe off cuz even by the end of the first round, hops looked tired. roy will be catching calzaghe's pitty-pat punches all night with his new glove defense and will have very effective counter punches that will certainly ko calzaghe. man, I really hope this fight happens.Comment
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Oh I did see them, that is why the Freddy Kruger gloves are so much more suited for him. He could actually damage something with those.Comment
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To me, what we are seeing in this thread is a rehash of all the same arguments that were brought up before the Hopkins - Calzaghe fight. There have been some good, perceptive posts sure, particularly the thread starter, but we're already seeing arguments saying Roy can win because of his 'motivation' and his 'right hand'. I'm not for a moment suggesting that Roy is a similar fighter to Hopkins, and I do believe he will present Joe with a challenge, but as always, I think those who pick Roy are succumbing to the belief that the now over the hill fighter 'can do it one more time', based on a fairly narrow selection of the skills that he still posseses. This is exactly like the discussion of Calzaghe - Hopkins, just instead of 'ring smarts' and a 'counter right hand', we are now talking about 'great handspeed' and a right hand in general.
I do not believe that these attributes alone are a reasonable basis for a picking as the winner a fighter who has looked awful against every good to elite level fighter he has faced recently, who has only looked good against a relative journeyman and an aged semi-retired fighter. No matter how much his fans may want Roy to be able to do it, there isn't really any realistic basis to suspect that he can, especially against a fighter like Calzaghe who is p4p #2-3 in the world, still undefeated and who is an elite right now, rather than having once been an elite.
By focussing to intently on the singular, and somewhat isolated skills that Roy posseses, we neglect to evaluate him as a complete fighter. Sure he still has a few unique talents, but his all around game, never that good in the first place if we are honest, has been reduced drastically by his age and defeats, whereas Calzaghe is one of the most complete boxers there is, capable of boxing, brawling, being defensive and being aggressive, taking shots and staying the course.
I do not suggest that Joe would beat Roy easily, or even that it wouldn't be a close fight, but if we look at the fight with objective eyes, surely we still have to pick Calzaghe as the most likely winner.
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good post... reasonable... and joe SHOULD be the most likely winner as i said at the end of my first post... but i just cant count roy out... theres a few things i see... that can create problems for joe... theres also things that can create problems for roy as well, like youve stated....i think its a close fight... and i cant rule roy out...Comment
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