My Breakdown Of Roy Vs Joe

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  • -CANE-
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    #41
    Originally posted by reedickyaluss
    I know roy isnt what he used to be.

    I know his legs dont move like they used to move, and that his lateral movement isnt quite there anymore... which is why I give credit to a veteran fighter for switching his style up this late in the game... Hold your hands up winky style.. so you can see all the punches coming in, using your still intact hand eye coordination to block those punches and look for quick counters, instead of using slowed reflexes to move out of the way with your chin hanging out there...

    It takes a lot for someone whose been fighting one way there entire career to switch things up, because they realize they cant quite do it like they used to do it. With that said, lets look at the abilities...

    Work Rate: Will absolutely goto Joe... If theres one thing Joe Calzaghe is known for its his work rate. He throws lots of punches, and you better keep up, or your going to lose.

    But what Bernard showed is that a great counter puncher will slow anyones work rate down.

    Hand speed, Accuracy, and Power: all go to Roy... Hand speed is the only CLOSE candidate, as Joes hands arent exactly slow... AT ALL... But I think the conensus around here would agree Roy still has the hand speed advantage.... and this is what off sets Joe's workrate... Fast hard hands that can hit you at any time, is a problem for a volume puncher. Volumes of punches, leaves volumes of openings. I think accuracy and power are no brainers, as Roy only shoots shots off when he sees openings, and his power is also a no brainer.

    Chin: I would give this edge to Joe... obviously with Joe coming up in weight, hes going to have bigger more powerful guys hitting him... and it showed that in the Bernard fight... although I realize it was a flash knockdown... So im not too concerned about Joe's chin, I know he has a great chin... Roys chin.. well, we all know that story... I personally feel the "china chinned" Jones has been slightly exaggerated... People tend to think if a piece of paper hit him in the face he would go into convulsions... Its simply not the case... And Joe doesnt quite hit like an Antonio Tarver, and Roy knows this full well.

    Stamina: This edge also goes to Joe.. as hes used to going full 12 rounds always throwing punches... In Roys last 3 fights... Knowing full well none of his last 3 fights are the equivelent of a Joe Calzaghe, But Roy has shown little fatigue in his fights... even with his fight against Hanshaw, where he fought off the ropes for 3/4 of the fight... if you actually watch the fight... his defense was in practice, and he was countering right back all 12 rounds, dropping him in the 11th. Stamina... still goes to Joe, Hands down. But I think Roy has about twice the stamina Bernard has, as Bernard slowed down by the 4 - 5th rounds, and Roys hands stay fully effective all 12 rounds.

    Interest: Why is this fight interesting? For me... its more on the Roy side... not because im a fan of his... but more to see, does he still have one more big fight in him... what if he wins? what if he does? what will that do to his career? will it erase some of the sour taste we were left with from 2004-2005? Where will it place him as an ATG? Roy back on the p4p List?!?! what?!

    My Personal reason for thinking Roy can win: If theres one thing that we saw in the Bernard fight, that worked against Joe... it was the straight right hand. The only problem was, after 4 or 5 rounds, Bernard lost his speed and his pop... I believe Roy can throw Faster, more accurate, and more powerful straight right hands, an entire 12 rounds.. with the same pop. Also, Bernard didnt throw ANY combinations.. it was ONE straight right hand, and clinch... EVen this old dicrepid cane walking senior citizen roy... still throws combinations, there still fast, still accurate, and still powerful... Should be interesting... and Im definitely going to the fight... anyone else?!??!?!

    Joe has the edge in the fight, Roy is the underdog...

    Roy should lose this fight...

    But when the bell rings... it doesnt matter what your record is... its the blue corner vs the red corner. ding ding.
    Great post and totally agree, as shot as RJJ is, he's still got more to offer than Hopkins and I think he'll win this fight.

    As you said, and I mentioned before the Hopkins fight, the key to beating Joe is to slow down his work rate and make him think and with his faster punches, that quick straight right hand and his combos I think that will be a bit to much for Joe to handle. I'm a big JC fan but RJJ is one of the greatest fighters ever PERIOD even a somewhat faded Jones is better than some can ever dream of.

    I do think however that Jones will have to take more punches than Hopkins did and the question is has Joe got the power to hurt him, if he has then if enough get through it could be a late stoppage, but I think Jones will win a decision.

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      #42
      Originally posted by hurricane72
      Great post and totally agree, as shot as RJJ is, he's still got more to offer than Hopkins and I think he'll win this fight.

      As you said, and I mentioned before the Hopkins fight, the key to beating Joe is to slow down his work rate and make him think and with his faster punches, that quick straight right hand and his combos I think that will be a bit to much for Joe to handle. I'm a big JC fan but RJJ is one of the greatest fighters ever PERIOD even a somewhat faded Jones is better than some can ever dream of.

      I do think however that Jones will have to take more punches than Hopkins did and the question is has Joe got the power to hurt him, if he has then if enough get through it could be a late stoppage, but I think Jones will win a decision.
      Yeah should be a very interesting fight... Im just one of the few who think roy still has a lot left in his tank... i really do... a lot of people will say, by what?! beating ajamu hanshaw and tito?

      Ajamu was just a tuneup after a 3 fight losing streak....

      Anthony hanshaw was a young undefeated good fighter, who just won a smw tournament, and he also beat Sechew Powell, Kelly Pavlik and Sergio Mora but lost to Jermain Taylor in the amateurs... you might not of heard of him, but the kid can fight, roy worked the ropes a lot of that fight practicing his defense and countering, dropping him in the 11th round.

      Trinidad, well, he was another tuneup really.. i personally felt trinidad looked his best in years despite the blow up in weight... i thought he made a hell of an account for himself, all things considered... and roy looked the best he had since 2004 as far as performance wise, and dropped him twice.

      Anyway, just because Roy fought and beat those three, doesnt mean thats ONLY who he can beat... should be interesting to see what happens, it looks like Roy got his confidence back with those 3 wins... which is exactly what he needs, if anything.

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        #43
        jones jr can dance and taunt all he wants but one calzaghe slap and its lights out for roy

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          #44
          I don't see any chance of Roy koing Joe. It just isn't happening. Roy's been a one punch at a time fighter for years. He couldn't ko Tito, And the other two bums he faced before him made him look average. A total mismatch and Roy is one of my all time favourites. Hopefully, it doesn't happen.

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            #45
            Originally posted by pesticid
            I don't see any chance of Roy koing Joe. It just isn't happening. Roy's been a one punch at a time fighter for years. He couldn't ko Tito, And the other two bums he faced before him made him look average. A total mismatch and Roy is one of my all time favourites. Hopefully, it doesn't happen.
            Roy had Ajamu peeing out blood, had Hanshaw down and played with Tito. He still has some pop but Joe has a GRANITE chin and won't be getting ko'd.

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              #46
              Originally posted by supermandathoe
              Roy had Ajamu peeing out blood, had Hanshaw down and played with Tito. He still has some pop but Joe has a GRANITE chin and won't be getting ko'd.
              u heard about that? ajamu had to be hospitalized for kidney damage afterr the fight lol

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                #47
                Originally posted by reedickyaluss
                Yeah should be a very interesting fight... Im just one of the few who think roy still has a lot left in his tank... i really do... a lot of people will say, by what?! beating ajamu hanshaw and tito?

                Ajamu was just a tuneup after a 3 fight losing streak....

                Anthony hanshaw was a young undefeated good fighter, who just won a smw tournament, and he also beat Sechew Powell, Kelly Pavlik and Sergio Mora but lost to Jermain Taylor in the amateurs... you might not of heard of him, but the kid can fight, roy worked the ropes a lot of that fight practicing his defense and countering, dropping him in the 11th round.

                Trinidad, well, he was another tuneup really.. i personally felt trinidad looked his best in years despite the blow up in weight... i thought he made a hell of an account for himself, all things considered... and roy looked the best he had since 2004 as far as performance wise, and dropped him twice.

                Anyway, just because Roy fought and beat those three, doesnt mean thats ONLY who he can beat... should be interesting to see what happens, it looks like Roy got his confidence back with those 3 wins... which is exactly what he needs, if anything.
                I honestly believe that coming back down from heavyweight took an awful lot out of Jones, much more than many people realise. It has taken him time to adjust, and that's the only reason Johnson and Tarver beat him, no other reason. No disprespect to them but they are not fit enough to lace up Jones' boots.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by hurricane72
                  I honestly believe that coming back down from heavyweight took an awful lot out of Jones, much more than many people realise. It has taken him time to adjust, and that's the only reason Johnson and Tarver beat him, no other reason. No disprespect to them but they are not fit enough to lace up Jones' boots.
                  I sincerely believe its exactly what happened... not trying to come up with excuses... but he had the performance of a lifetime at heavyweight... in the best shape of his life... 8 months later he looks like a shell of himself...

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                    #49
                    I think Jones has a reasonable chance to win, but given his last few fights, I don't know if he can pull it off. Right, I understand he was toying with Tito a little, and his other two recent wins were good enough, but Calzaghe isn't slow, like Tito, or inexperienced like Henshaw. He also won't run out of gas, and will pressure Jones from the beginning of the first bell. I hate to be the one to call it this way, but I predict a mid-round TKO by Calzaghe that brings an end to further title fights for RJJ. I think Roy has always been one of the most fabulously talented fighters to have ever lived, but his reflexes have slowed just enough that, at very top levels, he will get caught. Christ, Johnson KO'd him, and Calzaghe will put at least as much pressure on him as Johnson did. And Roy is a bit chinny. Calzaghe's power has long been debated, but all he needs to do is catch Roy with a shot on the point of his chin to stun him, and then he can take the time to set down on a few more well-aimed shots and finish him off.

                    However, IF Jones doesn't get caught, I give him about a 40% chance of winning a decision. I think his stamina is still a little suspect and his work rate shows it, but if he can fight the entire 12, those are his chances, in my opinion. If he gets gassed by 7 or 8, then his chances drop to maybe 10% or less, in my opinion.

                    Also, just so I can say that I said it, there is always the slim chance that Jones can catch Calzaghe with the perfect right hand and hurt him bad enough that it ends the fight. Calzaghe has a great chin, but Roy has decent power and is a very accurate puncher. I'd guess about a 1% chance of this happening. No doubt he will put leather on Calzaghe early in the fight, maybe even put Joe on his shorts for the 4th time in his career, but I don't know if he's one of this you can KO with a single punch, at least not without the other guy having HUGE power. He generally catches some big shots early in a fight, and then adapts and starts slipping and countering. This is why I make the odds so low of a TKO win by Jones.

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                      #50
                      who gave this thread a one star rating?

                      was my post not reasonable?

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