If Floyd moved up to super-middleweight

[joshyp18]

You Need To Stop Watching Wrestling. Its Not Real. Mayweather Didnt Actually Beat The Big Show. It Wasnt Real.

[Vladimir303]

I dont really care if vargas health was damaged. So was michael watson, mclellan, ali etc etc because boxing is a physical sport you absolute ****** american fool. Go home worship your little gayweather. Why dont you post threads saying mayweather for presidant of usa? or i want to be mayweathers boyfriend. You are a sausage arent you lol

Yawn @ the kinder garden insults.

Kids.

[joshyp18]

not really you shouldnt post pathetic threads. you try back up your comments but they are just silly.

[joshyp18]

i only just realised your avatar is ric flair lol you have being watching floyd and big show before you came up with your wild conclusion

[slicksouthpaw16]

Styles make fights. Oscar is a very skilled fighter.

Joe Calzaghe couldn't land **** and had trouble against a 43 year old guy who had nothing left offensively.

Hopkins is one of the most smartest, craftiest, cagiest, tough, most skilled ring veterans of all time. 43 or not, he beat Wright months before(who was top 6 pound for pound) and Antonio Tarver(who was top pound for pound) and it was for the light heavyweight title. Please, Hopkins is a light heavyweight and Floyd is a welterweight that didn't look good against an a fighter that was 6 years past his prime. He wouldn't do well aganst Calzaghe at all. He would be completely shut out and over matched. Lets be serious.

Floyd would land counters on Joe all night. The reach and height don't make a difference, Floyd has fought 6 foot tall guys before. A guy who comes straight ahead and punches like a fairy isn't guaranteed to beat a great smaller fighter with superior defense and offense.

James Toney was able to land counters on Jirov but was out classed in his fight with Holyfield before Evander's condition problems showed up again. He didn't land a single counter in those first few rounds when Evander showed flashes of his old self. Thats because he was the naturally smaller fighter and couldn't match another bigger skilled counter puncher because he giving up all of that natural size and reach. Its the same situation here. Mayweather has fought 6'0 guys before but they didn't know how to box or fight the smaller man. In fact, Oscar was the only bigger fighter that used his size to his advantage over Mayweather and look at the result. Peak Oscar would have beaten Mayweather because he could fight for the full 12 rounds without fading. Calzaghe doesn't fade. Hes a southpaw, throws volume punches, can fight going backwards, very good pure boxer, very slick and has rough tactics of his own and Mayweather couldn't handle that big and skilled of a guy muscling him around the ring like that. Castillo was able to bring educated pressure on Maweather and let his hands go while Mayweather choose to counter off of the ropes. His body punches were very effective as well and Calzaghe has hurt many fighters to the body. Your bias for Mayweather needs a little rethinking and i seriously don't know why i am responding.

[Vladimir303]

Hopkins is one of the most smartest, craftiest, cagiest, tough, most skilled ring veterans of all time. 43 or not, he beat Wright months before(who was top 6 pound for pound) and Antonio Tarver(who was top pound for pound) and it was for the light heavyweight title. Please, Hopkins is a light heavyweight and Floyd is a welterweight that didn't look good against an a fighter that was 6 years past his prime. He wouldn't do well aganst Calzaghe at all. He would be completely shut out and over matched. Lets be serious.

You didn't say anything here to disprove Floyd beating Calzaghe other then saying that Hopkins is a great fighter, which I agree with.

Prime Hopkins would have been more offensive and won the fight.

James Toney was able to land counters on Jirov but was out classed in his fight with Holyfield before Evander's condition problems showed up again. He didn't land a single counter in those first few rounds when Evander showed flashes of his old self. Thats because he was the naturally smaller fighter and couldn't match another bigger skilled counter puncher because he giving up all of that natural size and reach. Its the same situation here. Mayweather has fought 6'0 guys before but they didn't know how to box or fight the smaller man. In fact, Oscar was the only bigger fighter that used his size to his advantage over Mayweather and look at the result. Peak Oscar would have beaten Mayweather because he could fight for the full 12 rounds without fading. Calzaghe doesn't fade. Hes a southpaw, throws volume punches, can fight going backwards, very good pure boxer, very slick and has rough tactics of his own and Mayweather couldn't handle that big and skilled of a guy muscling him around the ring like that. Castillo was able to bring educated pressure on Maweather and let his hands go while Mayweather choose to counter off of the ropes. His body punches were very effective as well and Calzaghe has hurt many fighters to the body. Your bias for Mayweather needs a little rethinking and i seriously don't know why i am responding.

One, I didn't see anything from Holyfield that made me think he was gonna beat Toney.

Two, Oscar past his prime or in his prime CANNOT beat Floyd. He barely defeated a washed up on crack ******* Pernell Whitaker. Some thought he even lost that fight. He always has had trouble with slick fighters. Hell, Floyd wasn't even at his best at 154. Oscar had the height and strength advantage and the longer experience at jr.middleweight. Floyd's best weight is 140, where he still has decent punching power. He had none of that at 154. Floyd is simply a better fighter then oscar........PERIOD.

Now we're getting off track.

[slicksouthpaw16]

You didn't say anything here to disprove Floyd beating Calzaghe other then saying that Hopkins is a great fighter, which I agree with.

Prime Hopkins would have been more offensive and won the fight.

I agree that a prime Bernard would have beaten Calzaghe, although you are forgetting the fact that this is a prime Hopkins. Naturally, Hopkins is 5 weight classes bigger than Mayweather. Again, Floyd started his career at super featherweight and Hopkins has been a middleweight for his entire career. He is better than Mayweather in a lot of areas as well. Hes a better thinker than Mayweather, more crafty, taller, longer reach, tougher, longevity ect. You cannot use him as a measuring stick. Size is the main factor and you are completely ignoring it. All of the guys that you named as examples were also bigger than Mayweather. You said Jones. Jones is a natural middleweight that took growth hormone to get to the bigger divisions and still be effective. I hate to say it but its true.You said Leonard, Ray started his career at welterweight and lots of power. A fighter can only travel up so many weight classes and still be effective. Again, Mayweather started at super featherweight and went up to junior middleweight and didn't look like much against a fighter that was 6 years past his prime, faded late in the fight and started at the exact same weight that he did. My point was that Calzaghe is a natural super middleweight and a lot bigger than Oscar. If Mayweather couldn't impose his style and barely avoiding being out muscled by Oscar, what would Calzaghe do? Who is a natural super middleweight, good puncher (the power would matter to Mayweather as he would be moving up) and has so many natural advantages. Volume punches is the style to beat a speedster and it would be easy for Calzaghe to beat a smaller speedster that didn't have the power to hurt him. You are making this fight seem like this is a pound for pound match up and ignoring the key points. Mayweather wouldn't have the same speed, same power, same stamina, same reflexes ect. There is just so many things that is wrong with this fight.

Two, Oscar past his prime or in his prime CANNOT beat Floyd. He barely defeated a washed up on crack ******* Pernell Whitaker. Some thought he even lost that fight. He always has had trouble with slick fighters. Hell, Floyd wasn't even at his best at 154. Oscar had the height and strength advantage and the longer experience at jr.middleweight. Floyd's best weight is 140, where he still has decent punching power. He had none of that at 154. Floyd is simply a better fighter then oscar........PERIOD.

Now we're getting off track.

Oscar was beating Mayweather handily before he gassed out. He was bringing educated pressure and fighting like he was the bigger man. He stopped using his jab and he gassed out, two things that a prime Oscar never did. The Oscar that beat Vargas beats Mayweather. He could fight for the full 12 with that same pace. Mayweather at any weight is giving up a size, reach and strength disadvantage against Oscar.

Whitaker is a great fighter and even gave Trinidad slight problems. He is a southpaw as well, while Mayweather is orthodox and not as big as sweet pea and not as elusive. I am done here, i can't be bothered with any more of these posts. I'm not trying to own you or what ever, I'm trying to educate you here kid and you are just not listening.

[good_looking01]

Styles make fights. Oscar is a very skilled fighter.

Joe Calzaghe couldn't land **** and had trouble against a 43 year old guy who had nothing left offensively.

Floyd would land counters on Joe all night. The reach and height don't make a difference, Floyd has fought 6 foot tall guys before. A guy who comes straight ahead and punches like a fairy isn't guaranteed to beat a great smaller fighter with superior defense and offense.

No guarantees either way. You can call it bias to make yourself feel better but that's how I see it. It's not a impossible task for Floyd.

You keep going on about "Joe's lack of skills, lack of power and unable to beat a 43year old" but can I ask..... Being 100% honest is Bernard the only Calzaghe fight you have ever seen??

If not which others because I wonder where what your basing your opinions on?

Lack of power = knocked down Eubank 2ce for only the 3rd and 4th time in his career KO'd the undefeated Viet in 1st round, More recently... knocked Lacy from pillar to post and put him on the canvas, Hurt Kessler with a big body shot. Wore down Hopkins with body shots that forced him to take 5min rests at the end of the fight. SO lack of power = WRONG!

Lack of skills = has beaten MANY unbeaten fighters including former, current and future world champions. Could a slapper with no skill really do that over a 15year / 45fight career? Everyone loks bad against Hopkins but Calzaghe still hit him with more punches than anybody else has managed since Compubox started tracking fights! SO Lack of skills = WRONG!

As for him fighting Mayweather, that is a joke. Mayweather is the best p4p without a doubt but even he couldn't overcome a full blown Super Middle! It really is just fantasy!

[Vladimir303]

I agree that a prime Bernard would have beaten Calzaghe, although you are forgetting the fact that this is a prime Hopkins. Naturally, Hopkins is 5 weight classes bigger than Mayweather. Again, Floyd started his career at super featherweight and Hopkins has been a middleweight for his entire career. He is better than Mayweather in a lot of areas as well. Hes a better thinker than Mayweather, more crafty, taller, longer reach, tougher, longevity ect. You cannot use him as a measuring stick. Size is the main factor and you are completely ignoring it. All of the guys that you named as examples were also bigger than Mayweather. You said Jones. Jones was always a middleweight throughout his career. You said Leonard, Ray started his career at welterweight and lots of power. A fighter can only travel up so many weight classes and still be effective. Again, Mayweather started at super featherweight and went up to junior middleweight and didn't look like much against a fighter that was 6 years past his prime, faded late in the fight and started at the exact same weight that he did. My point was that Calzaghe is a natural super middleweight and a lot bigger than Oscar. If Mayweather couldn't impose his style and barely avoiding being out muscled by Oscar, what would Calzaghe do? Who is a natural super middleweight, good puncher (the power would matter to Mayweather as he would be moving up) and has so many natural advantages. Volume punches is the style to beat a speedster and it would be easy for Calzaghe to beat a smaller speedster that didn't have the power to hurt him. You are making this fight seem like this is a pound for pound match up and ignoring the key points. Mayweather wouldn't have the same speed, same power, same stamina, same reflexes ect. There is just so many things that is wrong with this fight.

Duran the smaller guy moved up to middleweight and failed to beat Marvin Hagler because his usual stuff didn't work against a bigger fighter who happens to be great at that weight.

Sugar Ray Leonard moved up and won a close disputed decision because he had the skills that Duran didn't.

Never say Never.

Oscar was beating Mayweather handily before he gassed out. He was bringing educated pressure and fighting like he was the bigger man. He stopped using his jab and he gassed out, two things that a prime Oscar never did. The Oscar that beat Vargas beats Mayweather. He could fight for the full 12 with that same pace. Mayweather at any weight is giving up a size, reach and strength disadvantage against Oscar.

Whitaker is a great fighter and even gave Trinidad slight problems. He is a southpaw as well, while Mayweather is orthodox and not as big as sweet pea and not as elusive. I am done here, i can't be bothered with any more of these posts. I'm not trying to own you or what ever, I'm trying to educate you here kid and you are just not listening.

You make it seem like Floyd had nothing to do with taking away the jab and outpointing Oscar in the late rounds. Like he didn't have anything to do with taking over the late rounds against Judah. Funny how all these guys don't show up at their best once they step in the ring with Floyd. Floyd is just a greater fighter then Oscar.

Save me the education superior ****. If you're done then you're done, you didn't teach or convince anybody of anything. If anything I educated you. The points you tried to make are so flawed that you're giving me plenty of material to respond back to....like I did. Save face and quit since you've already said twice that you're done.

[muppetman]

HE WOULD GET !!!