So is Calzaghe the P4P #1 Fighter Now?

[Ras44]

Sorry?

Hopkins didnt want to fight so how can you look good.

Hopkins had just beat Tarver (new IBF champ) and Winky Wright.

Calzaghe 11yr champion beat Kessler beat Hopkins and you want Cotto ahead?

The competition at WW is tougher right now, and not only that, Shane Mosley (who's younger than Hopkins and just a shade older than Calzaghe) is the only "old guy" in the mix. Quintana, Williams, Margarito, Mayweather, Cotto, Clottey, are either in their prime, or close to their prime. Hopkins, Calzaghe, Tarver, Johnson, Taylor are not in their prime. Only Pavlik and Miranda are in their prime. Look at Jr WW (where Cotto and Mayweather also fought) and you will find Malignaggi, Torres and Hatton, also in their prime.

So yes, both Cotto and Mayweather should be ahead of Calzaghe in a P4P list, because they are both in their prime and have defeated their opposition in their prime or closer to their prime than Calzaghe's opponents.

[Ras44]

I also forgot Joe's possible next opponent, Roy Jones Jr, who is an all time great, but he's way past his prime.

[rusticraver]

How many other fighters are the true champ at two weights, 45-0, 11 year world champion?

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

The competition at WW is tougher right now, and not only that, Shane Mosley (who's younger than Hopkins and just a shade older than Calzaghe) is the only "old guy" in the mix. Quintana, Williams, Margarito, Mayweather, Cotto, Clottey, are either in their prime, or close to their prime. Hopkins, Calzaghe, Tarver, Johnson, Taylor are not in their prime. Only Pavlik and Miranda are in their prime. Look at Jr WW (where Cotto and Mayweather also fought) and you will find Malignaggi, Torres and Hatton, also in their prime.

So yes, both Cotto and Mayweather should be ahead of Calzaghe in a P4P list, because they are both in their prime and have defeated their opposition in their prime or closer to their prime than Calzaghe's opponents.

I can understand your point, and it's a valid one, but I'm afraid the part in bold is one of the most rediculous things I have ever seen.

Lacy was the up and coming champion, the "next Mike Tyson" and Kessler was as prime as he is ever going to be. Hopkins was 43, granted, but he was in the best physical shape I have seen him in a long time. He also produced what I would class as one of his best ever performances. Hopkins might not have been in his prime, but his performance was top drawer and Calzaghe was made to work very hard.

[thegreatone1]

The competition at WW is tougher right now, and not only that, Shane Mosley (who's younger than Hopkins and just a shade older than Calzaghe) is the only "old guy" in the mix. Quintana, Williams, Margarito, Mayweather, Cotto, Clottey, are either in their prime, or close to their prime. Hopkins, Calzaghe, Tarver, Johnson, Taylor are not in their prime. Only Pavlik and Miranda are in their prime. Look at Jr WW (where Cotto and Mayweather also fought) and you will find Malignaggi, Torres and Hatton, also in their prime.

So yes, both Cotto and Mayweather should be ahead of Calzaghe in a P4P list, because they are both in their prime and have defeated their opposition in their prime or closer to their prime than Calzaghe's opponents.

Do one you moron.

[rusticraver]

I can understand your point, and it's a valid one, but I'm afraid the part in bold is one of the most rediculous things I have ever seen.

Lacy was the up and coming champion, the "next Mike Tyson" and Kessler was as prime as he is ever going to be. Hopkins was 43, granted, but he was in the best physical shape I have seen him in a long time. He also produced what I would class as one of his best ever performances. Hopkins might not have been in his prime, but his performance was top drawer and Calzaghe was made to work very hard.

Nard was 3rd or 4th on most peoples p4p lists. End of story

[Ras44]

I can understand your point, and it's a valid one, but I'm afraid the part in bold is one of the most rediculous things I have ever seen.

Lacy was the up and coming champion, the "next Mike Tyson" and Kessler was as prime as he is ever going to be. Hopkins was 43, granted, but he was in the best physical shape I have seen him in a long time. He also produced what I would class as one of his best ever performances. Hopkins might not have been in his prime, but his performance was top drawer and Calzaghe was made to work very hard.

You are right regarding Lacy as a good contender at the time (no "next Mike Tyson" by any stretch though)... but it's 2008 and that is a 2006 fight. Cotto defeated Judah and Mosley... and a year has not passed. I think this is about being the best P4P fighter, 2008.

I should have clarified that what I said is regarding to the P4P top ten, April 2008. Thought the context of the post was enough.

[rusticraver]

You are right regarding Lacy as a good contender at the time (no "next Mike Tyson" by any stretch though)... but it's 2008 and that is a 2006 fight. Cotto defeated Judah and Mosley... and a year has not passed. I think this is about being the best P4P fighter, 2008.

Judah and moseley are **** these days

[Ras44]

Judah and moseley are **** these days

So both Zab Judah and Shane Mosley are farther from their prime than Bernard Hopkins?

[Technical_Skill]

****in el, cant believe this is even up for discussion, ****ing joel casamayor is more skilled than Calzaghe, beat better fighters than calzaghe, fought better fighters than calzaghe.

Rafeal Marquez is far more skilled than calzaghe, and moved up a division to fight the man 3 times in his primes.

Calzaghe is p4p, but number 1 or even 2 is just silly.