Joe has ALWAYS been better than Hopkins, and his legacy reflects that

[kayjay]

Lol one other thing I'm not for or against either fighter KayJay (just in case). Just stating my opinion and that's this. Had Hopkins been younger he would've won. I'm sure that if you ask most boxing experts they'll say the same thing. But thats it for me I'll stop now. Just my 2 cents.

Maybe, maybe not. It doesn't matter and it's bad form (not saying from you) to make that the principal topic.

If Lennox had fought Holy and Tyson in the early 90's instead of when he did, maybe he loses. History will likewise have Joe ahead of Hopkins, and the hypotheticals don't matter

[WetSexyLlamaPR]

It's touchy here, but I'm not opposed to what youre saying. I think Joe and Nard are around the same natural weight. Close enough so that a fight between them is legit.

You can't say that about Oscar. Tito is a slightly more complicated case

Good point. I think Tito's power didn't move up 100% and neither did his strength. But I think in the move up his chin stabilized significantly and just seemed sturdier on his feet. I'm basing that on the fact that he hit Bernard with a clean left hook after a clinch (I forget which round one of the early ones) and took a terrific beating all night and somehow lasted till the 12th as opposed to all those other flash KD's at 147 and 154.

[Ray*]

You do realise alot of these jingoistic morons know **** all about the science of boxing?

Dont allign yourself with them, retain your self respect, calzaghe is a class fighter, but ****ing talk of having more skill than toney (which you pretty much said in another thread too) is rediculous.

I dont think he has any to be honest he was the same person telling us B-hop couldnt crack at 160 so he has NO power, Am not even a Fan of B-hop but when you write dumb stuffs like that then you lose all credibility for me..Thats how people were saying PBF wouldnt crack hatton's chin because he has No power, We all saw what happen last night with Joe C being KD and Hatton being KO.. Once again this is boxing and people need to stop underestimating any boxers power even if they're all paulie M.

[ElGranLuchador]

We see what a coward Hopkins becomes when he's in with a guy his own size.

He ran. He hid. He acted. He fought a cowardly fight.

He knew he lost. Hence the acting.


Hopkins simply has never been as good as Joe, doesn't have the talent or the balls

well i dont about prime vs prime but today hopkins did fought like a *****
when he knocked down calzaghe he didnt even made the attempt to knock him out he was just hoping the judges would give him the win
luckily justice was made and the evil las vegas judges didnt comit another robbery

[baya]

You're delusional. Trinidad was a ****ing welterweight. Tito even p4p is not as good as Calzaghe.


But you need to take weight classes seriously. Beating guys from lower weight classes is worse than beating journeymen in your own class

a primed 147lber tito not as good as calzaghe, oooookay.

c'mon - how anyone could have found last nights joe to be anything more than just 'good', is beyond me.

joe fought like he knew that all he had to do was connect with the glove to the face, regardless of how weak the connection was.

that was truly a spectacle.

[Ray*]

well i dont about prime vs prime but today hopkins did fought like a *****
when he knocked down calzaghe he didnt even made the attempt to knock him out he was just hoping the judges would give him the win
luckily justice was made and the evil las vegas judges didnt comit another robbery

Because he knew Joe was hurt, And joe is more dangerous when he gets KD thats why B-hop didnt move in.

P.S: I love your sig by the way.

[duffgun]

Actually was impressed by Bhop in some ways at 43 he does amazingly well I thought Bhop would win after the fight, When Joe kept control of him self he did well but he was to wild at times and his punches didn't land clean on Bhop.

[ElGranLuchador]

Because he knew Joe was hurt, And joe is more dangerous when he gets KD thats why B-hop didnt move in.

P.S: I love your sig by the way.

thx mate the first one its courtesy of abosworth
the margarito one was made by crazylegs

[mitch12]

You do realise alot of these jingoistic morons know **** all about the science of boxing?

Dont allign yourself with them, retain your self respect, calzaghe is a class fighter, but ****ing talk of having more skill than toney (which you pretty much said in another thread too) is rediculous.

well in calzaghes prime he did have as good skills but rememebr he ****ed up his hands.

[msagrain]

exactly. Joe could have given him a fight, but I think Roy edges him more likely than not

i agree but that would be a 50/50 fight.