who feels let down by joe??

[abadger]

nah his handspeed was still there, its just Hopkins has those tactics and he makes everyone he faces look bad and or boring. There were a few times when they were actually trading you could tell Joe still had the handspeed. he just wasnt able to show it as much with hopkins clinching every other second.

Hope so, hope so!
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[MayweatherJr.]

i ****ing do.

he fought an awful fight tonight, and only just squeezed out a win in my opinion. hopkins neutralized him BIG TIME throughout the majority of the fight.

I REALLY wanted Joe to put on a stellar performance, but he didn't. Fair enough in some peoples eyes a win is a win, but not in mine.

He was lucky to get that victory, he didn't silence any critics, and is more than likely going to fight RJJ next, who has no business even being in the ring anymore.

Even in victory, it appears Joe has lost in terms of the educated boxing fans opinion.

He did good. How could you blame him for the lackluster fight when It was Hopkins who didn't do **** but to throw as single punch followed up by a clinch. About a month ago I was rooting for Hopkins till he said "this fight is about whites and blacks". He crossed the line and I'm glad he lost. He gives black people a bad name. How does he like white ****s now? That 9th round is something he will never forget for the rest of his boring life.

[!! Shawn]

I think it was a poor performance for sure, his worst in years. I focussed so much on what Joe wasn't doing that I forgot to see what he did.

I read a good post from Tyson pointing out that Hopkins is an elite level spoiler and defense merchant of legendary proportions and that NO fighter has ever looked good against him. I was definitely impressed with Hopkins, so it may be that rather than criticising Joe we should be praising Hopkins.

Personally I think Joe looked like he'd lost reflexes and handspeed, but I'd have to look at the fight again to be sure.

Indeed he did lose reflexes and hand speed. He will be 37 years old soon. Not everyone can age like Bernard Hopkins. Even Roy Jones got old at 34.

Calzaghe is showing signs of his age. His hand speed is going. His reflexes are starting to go. His work rate is getting slower.

Joe Calzaghe should retire.

[MayweatherJr.]

[QUOTE=silencers98;3384551]Nobody looks good against Hopkins, the only letdown from this fight that I have about Calzaghe is that he still doesn't seem to have very good defense for the right hand.

QUOTE]True!

[Addison]

That's funny.. Jermain Taylor looked pretty good against Hopkins.

[MayweatherJr.]

That's funny.. Jermain Taylor looked pretty good against Hopkins.

Is that the reason why a lot of people are questioning Taylor's win over Hopkins?

[abadger]

As it has been said; Calzaghe did what he had to do to give himself a chance. He wasn't going to win toe-to-toe, hand-to-hand actually Boxing and exchanging punches. Calzaghe can Box, but he couldn't outBox Hopkins. No ****ing sir. He couldn't fight a traditional fight and have any chance of winning, because he didn't have the skills or ability to hang in there at the highest level. Even with superior handspeed.

What the hell are you talking about? Everything you say should be the other way round. They fought Bernard's fight because Bernard did what he had to do to give himself a chance. Bernard dicated the style completely. Problem was Bernard didn't have the skills to actually win a traditional fight, or a clinching match, even though he did make Calzaghe look bad.

I dunno, maybe you were being sarcastic.
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[AREALFIGHTER]

ah dude he just fought bernard ****ing hopkins and beat him somewhat convincingly so shtfu 43 or not repose your thread when joe c is forty three and fights a guy like joe is now and we will see how disapointed you are. You have no idea how good bernard still is he made joe look bad because he makes people look bad and he usually wins when he makes people look bad so you should be counting your lucky charms and be glad that bernard was not able to have more in the tank than he did, freeken tool.

[Addison]

Is that the reason why a lot of people are questioning Taylor's win over Hopkins?

Way to copout. :wank:

[Addison]

What the hell are you talking about? Everything you say should be the other way round. They fought Bernard's fight because Bernard did what he had to do to give himself a chance. Bernard dicated the style completely. Problem was Bernard didn't have the skills to actually win a traditional fight, or a clinching match, even though he did make Calzaghe look bad.

I dunno, maybe you were being sarcastic.

Calzaghe could not score at range and he did not try to do so the majority of the time. Both men were equally adept at landing and clinching. Flurrying and smothering. And both men employed these methods excessively. Calzaghe was the one rushing in like an amateur, like a female, unable to score without shortening up and windmilling in desperation.