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  • Orange Sneakers
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    #11
    Originally posted by abadger
    Agree 100%. IMO his resume is just as good as anybody could expect it to be.
    Nonsense. No Liles, prime Brewer, Ottke, Echols.

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    • Orange Sneakers
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      #12
      Infact, other than Gavin Rees, Robin is probably the worst world champion in history.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Orange Sneakers
        Infact, other than Gavin Rees, Robin is probably the worst world champion in history.

        Robin Reid in his day was a good champion.

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        • Orange Sneakers
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          #14
          Originally posted by thegreatone1
          Robin Reid in his day was a good champion.
          His only decent win in his entire career was against washed-up, one-dimensional, weight-drained Hank Wharton who had his nose busted in round four, when he (Wharton) was winning.

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          • abadger
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            #15
            Originally posted by Orange Sneakers
            Nonsense. No Liles, prime Brewer, Ottke, Echols.
            Not every fighter can fight every fighter. Sometimes fights just don't get made. This kind of resume bashing and analysis pretends that boxing is something that it isn't, and is extremely easy to indulge in five, six, seven years down the line when its clear who the 'good' and 'bad' fighters were with the benefit of hindsight.

            It's all very well to say that Calzaghe didn't fight those guys, but the truth is he would have beaten them all anyway, or at least it looks that way to me.

            Also, as I have said, Reid didn't go on to have a stellar career, but if you think the Reid that fought Calzaghe was a bad fighter then you are just wrong.
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            • Oasis_Lad
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              #16
              Juy, can we get your real opinion and not your split-personality schizo opinion, please?

              I know you wank over Calzaghe's skills.

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              • Orange Sneakers
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                #17
                Originally posted by abadger
                Not every fighter can fight every fighter. Sometimes fights just don't get made. This kind of resume bashing and analysis pretends that boxing is something that it isn't, and is extremely easy to indulge in five, six, seven years down the line when its clear who the 'good' and 'bad' fighters were with the benefit of hindsight.

                It's all very well to say that Calzaghe didn't fight those guys, but the truth is he would have beaten them all anyway, or at least it looks that way to me.

                Also, as I have said, Reid didn't go on to have a stellar career, but if you think the Reid that fought Calzaghe was a bad fighter then you are just wrong.
                You're pathetic.

                Calzaghe said he didn't want to fight Liles because he was 'too tall and tricky'. How do you defend that?

                Brewer claims he couldn't get Calzaghe to fight in America.

                Calzaghe said he didn't want to fight Ottke in Germany.

                Calzaghe wouldn't fight Echols in America, because he said the only fight he'd go to America for was Roy Jones.

                He said all of these things.

                He is not a great champion.

                Americans (and even most Brits) didn't even know who Joe Calzaghe was before the Jeff Lacy press conferences.

                I've been following him since 1991, and I know he simply couldn't be bothered to strive for greatness.

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                • abadger
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Orange Sneakers
                  You're pathetic.

                  Calzaghe said he didn't want to fight Liles because he was 'too tall and tricky'. How do you defend that?

                  Brewer claims he couldn't get Calzaghe to fight in America.

                  Calzaghe said he didn't want to fight Ottke in Germany.

                  Calzaghe wouldn't fight Echols in America, because he said the only fight he'd go to America for was Roy Jones.

                  He said all of these things.

                  He is not a great champion.

                  Americans (and even most Brits) didn't even know who Joe Calzaghe was before the Jeff Lacy press conferences.

                  I've been following him since 1991, and I know he simply couldn't be bothered to strive for greatness.
                  The one thing you forget, in your withering put down of me as "pathetic" is that for all these fights, against average to good fighters, Calzaghe was already the champ. He will have felt that it was up to them to come and take his belt. Why would a man who took his title from Eubank go to America to fight Brewer or Echols, why on earth would he even care about going to Germany to fight Ottke? Ottke! Maybe he did say that about Liles. Who cares? Maybe thats what he thought, that the risk/ reward wasn't great enough. He wasn't always perceived as the monster he is today and I'm sure he didn't see it that way either.

                  I agree that maybe Calzaghe didn't go for greatness as quickly as he could have done, and that he could have done more, but it isn't his job to do so to please you, and it certainly wasn't then before anyone even knew how talented he was.

                  Get a grip and quit trying to find any way you can to discredit a fighter who by any measure is a credit to his sport.
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                  Last edited by abadger; 03-20-2011, 11:30 PM.

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                  • Orange Sneakers
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                    #19
                    I'm seriously baffled how Calzaghe went from the (literally) joke of boxing to the king of boxing for beating Jeff Lacy and Mikkel Kessler.

                    It'll always live with me. Just funny, funny stuff.

                    Pathetic.

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                    • abadger
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Orange Sneakers
                      I'm seriously baffled how Calzaghe went from the (literally) joke of boxing to the king of boxing for beating Jeff Lacy and Mikkel Kessler.

                      It'll always live with me. Just funny, funny stuff.

                      Pathetic.
                      Plenty of other threads to find out about that in. The problem is that you exaggerate both ways, so your arguing a point that doesn't even really exist, at least with me. Calzaghe was never "the joke of boxing", he was and is a long reigning, undefeated champ with decent and good wins who perhaps never faced the very best. The joke of boxing would be someone like Audley Harrison.

                      When he beat Lacy and Kessler he did not become "the king of boxing" he became the unified SMW champion of the world who had beaten the two younger, stronger men that were supposed to beat him. The nature of the performances led most observers to suggest that he looked a better fighter than anybody else currently active around the weight, which is why he is now favourite against Bernard Hopkins.

                      No joke, no king, just a good fighter, good champ, who might still be able to do even more. Simple.
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                      Last edited by abadger; 03-20-2011, 11:30 PM.

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