The worst kind of robbery...

[Slotff]

Let me first say that all robberies suck... they really do, BUT...

Some are worse than others.

I can at least understand why they would rob someone like Felix Sturm against Oscar De La Hoya. If Sturm won, that means that the Hopkins fight would be off, and a ton of money would be lost for everyone.

I can understand why they robbed Santa Cruz against Casamayor. After all, who the **** is Santa Cruz before that fight?

I can understand why they would rob a bum against someone like Juan Diaz in Diaz's early career.

What I CAN'T understand is why they would rob Emanuel Augustus against a guy like Courtney Burton. The dude was not even a solid prospect. 20-2 is not a really glamorous record for anyone hoping to be a really good fighter. And look what happened to Burton in the bouts after that. He got KO'd like 4 times in a row.

Is there any upside for anyone in robbing Augustus in a bout like that?

From what I have heard, the Diaz fight you are refferring to was clearly Diaz' fight and the scorecard for the journeyman was quite bizzarre.

[Fox McCloud]

From what I have heard, the Diaz fight you are refferring to was clearly Diaz' fight and the scorecard for the journeyman was quite bizzarre.

A Diaz fan told me that the journeyman should have won. I don't know any more about it than that though.

[xcaret]

Let me first say that all robberies suck... they really do, BUT...

Some are worse than others.

I can at least understand why they would rob someone like Felix Sturm against Oscar De La Hoya. If Sturm won, that means that the Hopkins fight would be off, and a ton of money would be lost for everyone.

I can understand why they robbed Santa Cruz against Casamayor. After all, who the **** is Santa Cruz before that fight?

whos santa cruz? lol.... hes been in a few ppv undercards and been impressive, if u followed boxing u would of known about him way before the casamayor fight

[IwatchBoxing]

Casamayors loses should have all been wins.

[supermandathoe]

Casamayor should probably only have 1 loss on his record, and oddly enough that loss is to Santa Cruz.

[Fox McCloud]

whos santa cruz? lol.... hes been in a few ppv undercards and been impressive, if u followed boxing u would of known about him way before the casamayor fight

Please remember that I have been a fan for barely over a year. That was the first time I saw him.

But for the purposes of that statement, that "Who the **** is Santa Cruz?" was meant more to be from the viewpoint of the casual fan. Compared to Casamayor, he is a nobody. I can pretty much guarantee you that there would be next to no one who knew who Santa Cruz was, but not Casamayor. The amount of people who knew who Casamayor was, but not Santa Cruz probably wouldn't be all that small.

[ferocity]

Let me first say that all robberies suck... they really do, BUT...

Some are worse than others.

I can at least understand why they would rob someone like Felix Sturm against Oscar De La Hoya. If Sturm won, that means that the Hopkins fight would be off, and a ton of money would be lost for everyone.

I can understand why they robbed Santa Cruz against Casamayor. After all, who the **** is Santa Cruz before that fight?

I can understand why they would rob a bum against someone like Juan Diaz in Diaz's early career.

What I CAN'T understand is why they would rob Emanuel Augustus against a guy like Courtney Burton. The dude was not even a solid prospect. 20-2 is not a really glamorous record for anyone hoping to be a really good fighter. And look what happened to Burton in the bouts after that. He got KO'd like 4 times in a row.

Is there any upside for anyone in robbing Augustus in a bout like that?

Burton, wasn't he a contender at the time? that would answer your question and i think Burton was more known then Augustos at the time

[Fox McCloud]

Burton, wasn't he a contender at the time? that would answer your question and i think Burton was more known then Augustos at the time

Yeah, but he was a sorry excuse for a contender. 20-2 means that your fighter either, A. sucks, or B. has the worst management team ever, putting him in against two badasses that early in his career.

Honestly... it just bugs me more than anything when a wannabe contender gets a robbery decision.

I guess a lot of it is in hindsight, but who cares? With something as ****ty as robberies in boxing, I think hindsight should be allowed.

[pfcwintergreen]

Yeah, but he was a sorry excuse for a contender. 20-2 means that your fighter either, A. sucks, or B. has the worst management team ever, putting him in against two badasses that early in his career.

He may or not be a ****ty contender, but I can't believe you would dismiss a fighter on the basis of 2 losses, or a 20-2 record.

Thats totally asinine. its about the quality of opposition. You can't just look at a couple numbers and judge a fighter. There is a reason promoters line up tomato cans in order to create a "perfect" record; deluded fans who reflexively drool at a zero next to "L".

I'm 30 and 0. Against infants. Bring on the titans. I want Klitschko!

"or B. has the worst management team ever, putting him in against two badasses that early"

What if he did go in with a couple "badasses" early in his career? That would only prove he is willing to go in with tough competition and test himself. It would only prove that he has been tested and gained experience.

Give me that over Tye god damn Fields any day.

Sorry if this sounded a little harsh, but this blind obsession with numbers and not fighters/fights totally baffles me.

[Fox McCloud]

He may or not be a ****ty contender, but I can't believe you would dismiss a fighter on the basis of 2 losses, or a 20-2 record.

Thats totally asinine. its about the quality of opposition. You can't just look at a couple numbers and judge a fighter. There is a reason promoters line up tomato cans in order to create a "perfect" record; deluded fans who reflexively drool at a zero next to "L".

I'm 30 and 0. Against infants. Bring on the titans. I want Klitschko!

"or B. has the worst management team ever, putting him in against two badasses that early"

What if he did go in with a couple "badasses" early in his career? That would only prove he is willing to go in with tough competition and test himself. It would only prove that he has been tested and gained experience.

Give me that over Tye god damn Fields any day.

Sorry if this sounded a little harsh, but this blind obsession with numbers and not fighters/fights totally baffles me.

Lol, so you think the way prospects are guided up fighting fighters who are a bit better than the last is a bad thing? Throw him in there with Mike McCallum in his 5th pro fight, and Julian Jackson in his 8th? Yeah, I'll stick to the management system that generally gets a prospect into a true contender role undefeated where they have learned how to deal with nearly all of the styles.

By the way, Burton's 2 losses pre-Augustus:
Eleazar Contreras Jr. 17-2-2
Julio Diaz 28-2

Not bad, not great.

Burton's record after Augustus:
4 straight KO losses followed by retirement.

THAT is why it is the worst kind of robbery. One that really does absolutely nothing to progress the career of the fighter.