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yes, i never claimed that a case couldn't be argued for oscar, trinidad, or mosley. i put in my post that it's obvious that oscar has the best resume of anybody on that list, that's an obvious answer, but he lost to trinidad, lost to mosley twice, and you have to factor those losses in, whether you want to or not, he could have fought floyd at 147 back in 2005 or even 2004, andof course in 2006 he could have, but he didn't.
mosley, beat oscar twice at that weightclass, which is why i claimed i wouldn't argue if somebody put him as number 1, but he did lose to cotto, past his prime or not, you can't take that win away from cotto, which i'm sure you won't, seeing how you love cotto, just like i love mayweather and will never take the win he had from oscar away from him, because he fought a guy who fought his ass off, and had all of the physical advantages over floyd, with the ring size, gloves, weight, etc, and yet, his skillset wasn't good enough for floyd's. that's all. and, you can argue, that oscar lost to a welterweight, hell, even a jr welterweight in floyd because to many people, he did, and floyd was really small compare to oscar, but floyd's skillset takes him to higher weight classes to beat these bigger fighters, which is why i factored in skillset into my posts, because the threadstarter didn't specify as what he held the greatest to be or what he wanted from us, so skillset played a huge role in my picking of floyd.
now, with trinidad, i didn't pick him, even though i believe his prime weight was 147, and he had the most success out of anybody on the list is because yes, he beat sweet pea, he beat oscar, controversially or not, he beat him, oba carr was a good win for anybody and he beat camacho, past is prime or not, but his skillset to me was lacking, and that factored into it. oscar was giving him a boxing clinic when they fought, and comacho was catching him heavily also, trinidad was a monster at 147 with his power, but imo he lacked the skills to put him higher on the list, but he used what he had very well which is why he was so successful at that weight.
now, with cotto, yes, he beat quiatna who was undefeated and who many felt would outbox cotto, and judah, who he knocked out, and mosley, who he in turn outboxed to some degree. but, floyd beat judah also, the guy who beat judah, and hatton, i don't care if he moved up. think about it, do you think that gomez, urango, or quiatana is better than hatton skillwise? i feel judah and mosley crushes hatton, but gomez? urango? even though urango was rough and rugged, he was slow as ****. and you even have people comparing cotto to hatton in terms of style, so even if you disagree with the comparison, what's that saying about hatton? huh? that win for mayweather was legit, and maybe 24/7 swayed many people's decisons on hatton to beat floyd, many people felt he would beat him and gave their reason as to why, and other boxers gave hatton a strong chance also. what's that's saying? now, hatton is overrated, but gomez and urango, because they were ww weren't, even though hatton beat a ww for his title in callazo in a fight that he kncoked him down in the 1st round only to struggle throughout the latter rounds of the fight, but he still beat him by ud, and yes, he moved back down, and came back up to fight floyd, loses, and moved back down, but does that discount the fact that he was given a legitimate chance by experts, fans, and other boxers, and held a title at ww, hello? mosley openly ducked floyd, i don't care who disagrees, he did. margarito had nothing on mosley when it came to fighting floyd, and nothing oscar. would cotto fight margarito if oscar de la hoya wanted to fight him? i doubt that highly. would cotto fight tony over mosley if he could do it all over again? hell no. floyd is no different. oscar and mosley had track records and they were much better names to floyd who always wanted to fight them, and was at a point in his career where he wanted big names, tony wasn't. i'm not justifying a champion or p4p champion not taking on all comers, because they should, but boxing is not the same as it was in the past, it's a busniess oreiented phenonmenon, and it has competition with other sports, you have to make the biggest and best fights possible, and floyd wanted oscar, floyd wanted mosley, and mosley didn't want floyd until he signed to fight oscar. now, the thing that gets me is that people hate on floyd for not fighting mosley until mosley loset to cotto, then it wasn't a big deal anymore, which is why i call people on here hypocrites. if cotto fights and beats margarito, then i'll have no choice but to except the argument for him being the number 1 welterweight, even though skillwise, floyd ****s all over him, but floyd is fighting oscar at 147, a fighter that cotto wanted to fight also, but nobody seems to criticize him on that, and cotto would fight oscar in a heartbeat and hatton if he could, but yes, i want to see floyd fight cotto, and it will happen, but the suspense is only getting better and better.
mosley, beat oscar twice at that weightclass, which is why i claimed i wouldn't argue if somebody put him as number 1, but he did lose to cotto, past his prime or not, you can't take that win away from cotto, which i'm sure you won't, seeing how you love cotto, just like i love mayweather and will never take the win he had from oscar away from him, because he fought a guy who fought his ass off, and had all of the physical advantages over floyd, with the ring size, gloves, weight, etc, and yet, his skillset wasn't good enough for floyd's. that's all. and, you can argue, that oscar lost to a welterweight, hell, even a jr welterweight in floyd because to many people, he did, and floyd was really small compare to oscar, but floyd's skillset takes him to higher weight classes to beat these bigger fighters, which is why i factored in skillset into my posts, because the threadstarter didn't specify as what he held the greatest to be or what he wanted from us, so skillset played a huge role in my picking of floyd.
now, with trinidad, i didn't pick him, even though i believe his prime weight was 147, and he had the most success out of anybody on the list is because yes, he beat sweet pea, he beat oscar, controversially or not, he beat him, oba carr was a good win for anybody and he beat camacho, past is prime or not, but his skillset to me was lacking, and that factored into it. oscar was giving him a boxing clinic when they fought, and comacho was catching him heavily also, trinidad was a monster at 147 with his power, but imo he lacked the skills to put him higher on the list, but he used what he had very well which is why he was so successful at that weight.
now, with cotto, yes, he beat quiatna who was undefeated and who many felt would outbox cotto, and judah, who he knocked out, and mosley, who he in turn outboxed to some degree. but, floyd beat judah also, the guy who beat judah, and hatton, i don't care if he moved up. think about it, do you think that gomez, urango, or quiatana is better than hatton skillwise? i feel judah and mosley crushes hatton, but gomez? urango? even though urango was rough and rugged, he was slow as ****. and you even have people comparing cotto to hatton in terms of style, so even if you disagree with the comparison, what's that saying about hatton? huh? that win for mayweather was legit, and maybe 24/7 swayed many people's decisons on hatton to beat floyd, many people felt he would beat him and gave their reason as to why, and other boxers gave hatton a strong chance also. what's that's saying? now, hatton is overrated, but gomez and urango, because they were ww weren't, even though hatton beat a ww for his title in callazo in a fight that he kncoked him down in the 1st round only to struggle throughout the latter rounds of the fight, but he still beat him by ud, and yes, he moved back down, and came back up to fight floyd, loses, and moved back down, but does that discount the fact that he was given a legitimate chance by experts, fans, and other boxers, and held a title at ww, hello? mosley openly ducked floyd, i don't care who disagrees, he did. margarito had nothing on mosley when it came to fighting floyd, and nothing oscar. would cotto fight margarito if oscar de la hoya wanted to fight him? i doubt that highly. would cotto fight tony over mosley if he could do it all over again? hell no. floyd is no different. oscar and mosley had track records and they were much better names to floyd who always wanted to fight them, and was at a point in his career where he wanted big names, tony wasn't. i'm not justifying a champion or p4p champion not taking on all comers, because they should, but boxing is not the same as it was in the past, it's a busniess oreiented phenonmenon, and it has competition with other sports, you have to make the biggest and best fights possible, and floyd wanted oscar, floyd wanted mosley, and mosley didn't want floyd until he signed to fight oscar. now, the thing that gets me is that people hate on floyd for not fighting mosley until mosley loset to cotto, then it wasn't a big deal anymore, which is why i call people on here hypocrites. if cotto fights and beats margarito, then i'll have no choice but to except the argument for him being the number 1 welterweight, even though skillwise, floyd ****s all over him, but floyd is fighting oscar at 147, a fighter that cotto wanted to fight also, but nobody seems to criticize him on that, and cotto would fight oscar in a heartbeat and hatton if he could, but yes, i want to see floyd fight cotto, and it will happen, but the suspense is only getting better and better.
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