It's not that American fighters are always better than British fighters........

[Sin City]

And if he beats Calzaghe? What then? Still overrated is my guess.

I have no respect for a middleweight who makes his name fighting blown up welters though if he beat Calzaghe I'd give him his props.. but he wont!

[ßringer]

Its a money thing thats all.

Through the 50,60,70,80s during a time where most countries and industries were not doing so well America was booming. Its where the money was, it all dates back to the economic succsess America had after the war. There cities wernt smashed they lost minimal troops there industry was flying and Britain, Germany and Russia owed them trillions.

So with the other powers struggling America was the only choice imo, pre war great fights happened in Europe as well as America. But again in the 20s due to the great wall collapse America needed heros so was born Jack dempsy.

This is highly true as well. I'm amazed that such a new user has such depth and perception. We need more guys like you. Good karma on the way.

[ИATAS]

I never seen Hopkins fight outside of the states! He must be over-rated

He fought in France and Ecuador.

But I see your point - most american fighters don't leave the states, so it is a double standard, no doubt. However, America has always been seen as the mecca of boxing (whether or not that is beginning to shift or has already shifted is another question).

[kayjay]

Bringer this is bull****. Get with the times.

How many American are in the p4p top twenty? Two, three? So it's not about that.

Venues? Why do big fights have to take place here? At Heavyweight, for instance, the best fights are in Germany, as are the best fighters (though they're not German either)

At SMW, a very good division, most of the top fighters have never fought here.


The lowest weights are also strongest abroad.


Grow up, man. It's not about having to come here. Calzaghe fought lots of Americans, and most importantly fought contenders in his own weight class, the best in the world.

You can't quite say the same about Hopkins, who handpicked welterweights for the past seven years

[T-97]

Granted you're always going to have a certain amount of Nationalistic fans who are likely *******s as well, but I think the majority of fight fans (maybe not on this site) don't buy into the nation vs. nation bit. We just want to see the best fight each other.

I don't mind people saying they are overrated, i think Khans overrated but when people either:

1-Assume all people from the UK love Hatton, Khan etc
2-Use the fact they are from the UK as to why they are overrated

Its ******. Some of my favourite fighters are American so i don't see why some people (from all over the world) have to use nationality as a reason why they are crap..

[War For 94]

The point is that there is no reason for Hopkins to fight outside of the United States,

Bull**** statement. You have to prove you can do it outside your own backyard, outside your comfort zone. If you're American you don't just automatically get a pass and not have to fight elsewhere. Doesn't work like that.

[ßringer]

I have no respect for a middleweight who makes his name fighting blown up welters though if he beat Calzaghe I'd give him his props.. but he wont!

What about the win over Tarver? Or the close fight with Jones? Or the knockout of an undefeated Glen Johnson who was 11 years younger than he was this past Saturday night against Dawson?

Anyway, this isn't a Hopkins/Calzaghe thread. If you want to talk Hopkins/Calzaghe, goto one of the other billion threads dedicated to it.

[ßringer]

I don't mind people saying they are overrated, i think Khans overrated but when people either:

1-Assume all people from the UK love Hatton, Khan etc
2-Use the fact they are from the UK as to why they are overrated

Its ******. Some of my favourite fighters are American so i don't see why some people (from all over the world) have to use nationality as a reason why they are crap..

It's just because some people are ****heads. I'm American and I love Ricky Hatton, the dude is a class act. So he lost to Mayweather, big ****ing deal. Doesn't change the fact that he's one of the most exciting guys in the sport these days, you know?

Anyone who takes that route is a ****ing dolt at the end of the day.

[kayjay]

Bringer you side with the ignorant here. Ican't even speak my disappointment in you.


Learn to see the big picture. "America" is an abstraction, the importance of which in all areas of life is rapidly diminshing. And it stopped being the "mecca" of boxing a long time ago. Calzaghe himself is proof that the best fighters today don't all fight here. And no one would argue they come from here

[T-97]

Bull**** statement. You have to prove you can do it outside your own backyard, outside your comfort zone. If you're American you don't just automatically get a pass and not have to fight elsewhere. Doesn't work like that.

Yep, thats what i hate. Some, not all.., Americans say that Brit fighters have to fight out of their backyard to be considered good but American fighters don't because they fight in America

Like i said though, only some. Not all. Most Americans i see on here seem to be clever enough to realsie this is not nessarseily true.

I no i cant spell.

It's just because some people are ****heads. I'm American and I love Ricky Hatton, the dude is a class act. So he lost to Mayweather, big ****ing deal. Doesn't change the fact that he's one of the most exciting guys in the sport these days, you know?

Anyone who takes that route is a ****ing dolt at the end of the day.

Glad you see my point.