Espinosa: "Marquez Will Never Beat Pacquiao"

[nycbigdog]

I say they make Pac fight Marquez until Marquez finally wins...no matter how many fights this may take....


With that said, since all these Marquez "fans" think all contests that are too close to call or contreversial should be re-done over and over until a clear winner is seen...... I say they make the Houston Rockets play the '94 New York Knicks again....It was wayyyyy tooo close to call and there should have been an 8th game!!!!!!

Or, how about Brazil vs Italy in the World Cup in the 90's, tooo ****ing close to call....Those Italians should have gone to Brazil and demand a re-match!!!!!

These fools dont understand that some styles (PAC and Marquez) by nature, offset each other, thus, the close outcome.... Play it over and over, the outcome will always be the same....

[Mr. Ryan]

I say they make Pac fight Marquez until Marquez finally wins...no matter how many fights this may take....


With that said, since all these Marquez "fans" think all contests that are too close to call or contreversial should be re-done over and over until a clear winner is seen...... I say they make the Houston Rockets play the '94 New York Knicks again....It was wayyyyy tooo close to call and there should have been an 8th game!!!!!!

Or, how about Brazil vs Italy in the World Cup in the 90's, tooo ****ing close to call....Those Italians should have gone to Brazil and demand a re-match!!!!!

These fools dont understand that some styles (PAC and Marquez) by nature, offset each other, thus, the close outcome.... Play it over and over, the outcome will always be the same....

If they fought again and Marquez got a close decision, would he fight Pacquiao again? Or does he just want the win?

[switchsouthpaw]

Neither of them have truly separated themselves from each other. They can fight ten times and ten times the decision would be a basic wash. Either way I would love to see them fight a few more times. And to Fuerte Apache, the decision may have read Pac as the winner but not everyone agrees with that.

[Fuerte Apache]

He's already beaten him twice.

[nycbigdog]

Neither of them have truly separated themselves from each other. They can fight ten time and ten times it would so close to a draw. Either way I would love to see them fight a few more times.

I disagree.. The only offense JMM offered was packpeddling counterpunching after an all so predictable forward march of PAC..... If PAC didnt move forward all the damn time and instigate the action would JMM even have an opportunity to counterpunch???? Thats why JMM will never win a decision because he only waits for PAC....If PAC chose to be the counterpuncher like JMM, what kind of fight would that be? PAC fights with more courage and should be rewarded as such....


On a side note, people underestimate the meaning of a KD.... In 24 rounds with PAC, JMM officially got KD'ed 4 times, and 5 or 6 times debatable..... What does this mean??? It ****ing means, 4 times another man had to step in for JMM to stop PACs onslaught.... Without the ref PAC could have literally killed him...... Lets be real, what means more to you, a round that you outjabbed your opponent, winning on points, OR another man (the ref) having to step in for you because with out him you'd literally be tea-baged by your opponent???? This happened 4 times already....I dont know how this is even considered close......

[shadeyfizzle]

I disagree.. The only offense JMM offered was packpeddling counterpunching after an all so predictable forward march of PAC..... If PAC didnt move forward all the damn time and instigate the action would JMM even have an opportunity to counterpunch???? Thats why JMM will never win a decision because he only waits for PAC....If PAC chose to be the counterpuncher like JMM, what kind of fight would that be? PAC fights with more courage and should be rewarded as such....


On a side note, people underestimate the meaning of a KD.... In 24 rounds with PAC, JMM officially got KD'ed 4 times, and 5 or 6 times debatable..... What does this mean??? It ****ing means, 4 times another man had to step in for JMM to stop PACs onslaught.... Without the ref PAC could have literally killed him...... Lets be real, what means more to you, a round that you outjabbed your opponent, winning on points, OR another man (the ref) having to step in for you because with out him you'd literally be tea-baged by your opponent???? This happened 4 times already....I dont know how this is even considered close......

That's not true. JMM offered offense on several occassions over the 2 fights. The 4 knockdowns have come from the few times Marquez actually went into offensive mode. Making it very obvious that Marquez will never win by fighting fire with fire with Pacquiao.

Also during the 2nd fight, Even though Marquez is arguably the best counterpuncher in all of boxing, he was getting counterpunched himself an awful lot. And with crushing effect. Most noticably in the knockdown in the 3rd round and the opening seconds of the 10th rd. Proving that if Pacquiao were to employ the same strategy throughout the whole fight as Marquez, he would be able to execute just as well and still produce knockdowns.

[nycbigdog]

That's not true. JMM offered offense on several occassions over the 2 fights. The 4 knockdowns have come from the few times Marquez actually went into offensive mode. Making it very obvious that Marquez will never win by fighting fire with fire with Pacquiao.

Also during the 2nd fight, Even though Marquez is arguably the best counterpuncher in all of boxing, he was getting counterpunched himself an awful lot. And with crushing effect. Most noticably in the knockdown in the 3rd round and the opening seconds of the 10th rd. Proving that if Pacquiao were to employ the same strategy throughout the whole fight as Marquez, he would be able to execute just as well and still produce knockdowns.

Whats not true? That PAC was the aggressor maybe 90% of the 24 rounnds with JMM???? Yeah, he may have found himself "slugging" it out with PAC but thats more of PAC instigating matters....

Anyway, this is all academic....The point of the matter is, what other fighter throws the same **** all the time and his opponents knows this but still gets dropped???? That one two...That straight left hand lead.... What other fighter has the courage to do that knowing they'll be countered??????? I dont know if anyone here boxed before, but when you throw leads with your power shot, that pretty much means two things....One: you are ****** and you are looking to get knocked out by a counter...OR, TWO: you have much heart and have a whatever be damned mentality....

Were not talking about pot****ting and dancing around like a ballerina (aka Mayweather), we're talking about left and right hand leads thats intent to putting you down, which PAC does time and time again.... Imagine JMM having the courage to do this.... Instead, we're seeing him backpeddling like some kind of dance and given opportunity after opportunity to counter..... The funny thing is people say damn, PAC got hit alot by Marquez counters beautifully..... Of course PAC gets countered because he's always the one throwing first..... Let JMM throw right hand leads and what do you think will happen???? No need to answer, purely rhetorical.....

[We want Floyd]

Maybe if Juanita finds a way not to end up on his @ss everytime he has stepped up to PAC then the judges may finally give him a victory against my boy. Until then, JMM needs to practice defending that one-dimensional, telegraphed left hand that has earned PAC millions of $$$ that JMM is still dreaming of.

Juanita , just join the rest of the Mexican Chumps . Just retire already. PAC's one-dimensional attack is bad for Mexicans. What more when PAC develops another punch. It's over!

[JoartCC]

Whats not true? That PAC was the aggressor maybe 90% of the 24 rounnds with JMM???? Yeah, he may have found himself "slugging" it out with PAC but thats more of PAC instigating matters....

Anyway, this is all academic....The point of the matter is, what other fighter throws the same **** all the time and his opponents knows this but still gets dropped???? That one two...That straight left hand lead.... What other fighter has the courage to do that knowing they'll be countered??????? I dont know if anyone here boxed before, but when you throw leads with your power shot, that pretty much means two things....One: you are ****** and you are looking to get knocked out by a counter...OR, TWO: you have much heart and have a whatever be damned mentality....

Were not talking about pot****ting and dancing around like a ballerina (aka Mayweather), we're talking about left and right hand leads thats intent to putting you down, which PAC does time and time again.... Imagine JMM having the courage to do this.... Instead, we're seeing him backpeddling like some kind of dance and given opportunity after opportunity to counter..... The funny thing is people say damn, PAC got hit alot by Marquez counters beautifully..... Of course PAC gets countered because he's always the one throwing first..... Let JMM throw right hand leads and what do you think will happen???? No need to answer, purely rhetorical.....

Nice post.

Basically owns every JMM argument out there.

[shadeyfizzle]

Whats not true? That PAC was the aggressor maybe 90% of the 24 rounnds with JMM???? Yeah, he may have found himself "slugging" it out with PAC but thats more of PAC instigating matters....

Anyway, this is all academic....The point of the matter is, what other fighter throws the same **** all the time and his opponents knows this but still gets dropped???? That one two...That straight left hand lead.... What other fighter has the courage to do that knowing they'll be countered??????? I dont know if anyone here boxed before, but when you throw leads with your power shot, that pretty much means two things....One: you are ****** and you are looking to get knocked out by a counter...OR, TWO: you have much heart and have a whatever be damned mentality....

Were not talking about pot****ting and dancing around like a ballerina (aka Mayweather), we're talking about left and right hand leads thats intent to putting you down, which PAC does time and time again.... Imagine JMM having the courage to do this.... Instead, we're seeing him backpeddling like some kind of dance and given opportunity after opportunity to counter..... The funny thing is people say damn, PAC got hit alot by Marquez counters beautifully..... Of course PAC gets countered because he's always the one throwing first..... Let JMM throw right hand leads and what do you think will happen???? No need to answer, purely rhetorical.....

Relax. we're basically saying the same thing. I was just dis*****g your statement that the only offense Marquez ever offered was from backpedaling counters. But that's not really offense. I was saying that in the few times he actually charged forward were all the times he got dropped by Pacquiao. And yes i have boxed before. When throwing lead power shots, even if you are going to get countered, if you manage to land first you take out some steam out of the counterpunch and buy yourself that split second of time to be able to get your guard up and back into position. The reason Paquiao is more successful at it than any other fighter in the game right now is because he is very unorthodoxed and throws the lead left from really weird angles and positions that you wouldnt think you'd be able to throw that kind of shot from if you were standing right in front of him. Also Pacquiao's hands are so quick that a good portion of the time he lands 1st, throwing off the timing of the counter. Which is why even tough Marquez kept countering, he never hurt Pacquiao whenever Pacquiao lands 1st.