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  • CraigM
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    #21
    Originally posted by chiyoko
    Lacy only had 21 or 24 fights and you call him real competition?
    Calzaghe only fights inexperienced fighters or those he thinks are ready for the old people's homes.There is no doubt he is a protected species and I cant wait to see his back on the canvass.

    we all know how Joe used to get 'injured ' whenever a big name was mentioned only to recover and fight an Evans Ashira
    Fighters rarely choose opponants, everyone knows that. But obviously you are an expert who knows Joe a little better than the rest of us and knows his real thoughts about every fighter he has faced/ducked.

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    • sparked_85
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      #22
      Nard is borderline legend.

      He is 43 fighting at the very pinnacle of the sport.

      That said Joe would have beaten everyone on Hops record apart from maybe Winky, but he'd probably get him too due to the size disparity.

      Hopkins Tarver win is looking good.

      But Tarver was blowing between rounds, so it's hard to see how he who gasps between rounds can beat Calzaghe.

      Trinidad,Oscar and Winky look very good. It's like if you win a trophy in football as time passes the history books say you won it they don't mention the circumstances.

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      • Gatti9783
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        #23
        Originally posted by Technical_Skill
        Forget weight,

        Skills wise would you seriously put Kessler and Lacy in the same league as Tarver, De La Hoya, Wright and Roy Jones?

        Hopkins did **** about with smaller guys, but some of them were world class or had legendary skills.

        Thus why calzaghe isnt a legend, his best win is against some guy whos best win was against a shot Markus beyer or libero andrade.
        Wait for it, wait for it:

        bu bu bu but, DLH and Tito weren't in their weight class. Seriously that's the only thing that Hopkins haters can grasp onto and they know it. I wonder what weight Tito and Oscar walk around at? ****, even Winky's trainer said in the countdown special with Hopkins that 170 was an absolute more comfortable weight for Wink to fight at. You can quote me on that. And this coming from a huge Winky fan.

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        • hardmanbrit
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          #24
          It is like comparing the city of Liverpool to London in terms of sporting achievements.

          One has an extremely small land-mass and therefore a small population (900 000) and the other one is just huge, with millions and millions of people.

          It is simply a ludicrous comparison.

          Why not compare Great Britain with Spain, or the USA with China? That would at least be fair anyway.

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          • squealpiggy
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            #25
            Lacy only had 21 or 24 fights and you call him real competition?
            Calzaghe only fights inexperienced fighters or those he thinks are ready for the old people's homes.
            Funnily enough the main group that thought of him as "real competition" changed their mind after he was ruined. Calzaghe only fights inexperienced fighters and those destined for the old folks home apart from the ones who are unified champions in their prime like Kessler. Incidentally in their first fight Jermain Taylor had only 23 fights under his belt. And Hopkins lost.

            The only reason Calzaghe isn't considered a legend is because his two biggest wins are against Kessler and Lacy.
            If Bernard is considered a legend then the only reason Calzaghe isn't is the colour of his passport.

            Forget weight,

            Skills wise would you seriously put Kessler and Lacy in the same league as Tarver, De La Hoya, Wright and Roy Jones?
            Firstly I'm not going to forget weight, the fact that Hopkins' two biggest wins came from guys who had their best days at Welterweight is significant and shouldn't be overlooked. Secondly Kessler beats Tarver six days a week and twice on Sunday and a pre-Calzaghe Lacy would be pick 'em. Thirdly while there is noone on Calzaghe's resume as good as a prime Roy Jones you have to remember that Bernard LOST. You can't use a name to prove legendhood if the alleged "legend" lost the fight! Joe Bugner was a legend, why he fought Muhammad Ali!

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            • squealpiggy
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              #26
              Originally posted by Gatti9783
              Wait for it, wait for it:

              bu bu bu but, DLH and Tito weren't in their weight class. Seriously that's the only thing that Hopkins haters can grasp onto and they know it. I wonder what weight Tito and Oscar walk around at? ****, even Winky's trainer said in the countdown special with Hopkins that 170 was an absolute more comfortable weight for Wink to fight at. You can quote me on that. And this coming from a huge Winky fan.
              So you're saying that weight is insignificant? That it's a non-issue? That a middleweight who started his career at light heavy fighting a welterweight who started his career at lightweight was all about the skills?

              Well I guess Floyd Mayweather did beat the Big Show so anything can happen right?

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              • Bobby Shaw
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                #27
                Originally posted by CraigM
                Fighters rarely choose opponants, everyone knows that. But obviously you are an expert who knows Joe a little better than the rest of us and knows his real thoughts about every fighter he has faced/ducked.
                When fighters are not happy with the level of opposition their managers are giving them ,they change.

                We all saw how Ricky Hatton cut ties with warren because he saw his career was going nowhere

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                • Gatti9783
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by squealpiggy
                  So you're saying that weight is insignificant? That it's a non-issue? That a middleweight who started his career at light heavy fighting a welterweight who started his career at lightweight was all about the skills?

                  Well I guess Floyd Mayweather did beat the Big Show so anything can happen right?
                  It's not insignificant, but it's clear that you're doing anything possible to discredit Bernard Hopkins, which is a sad, sad thing, considering pretty much everyone in the world of boxing thinks the exact opposite. You should be ashamed. Weight is not the absolute deciding factor in a fight. Can you think of any examples of fighters out of their regular weight class winning a fight against someone in their regular weight class?

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                  • Mickey Gomez
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                    #29
                    To bash Calzaghe or Hopkins is a mistake imo. They are both world class and legends in their respective weight divisions.

                    Criticisms can be made of both fighters, but why bother? Accept them for both being great and look forward to the fight.

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                    • hardmanbrit
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                      #30
                      I cannot wait for this UK-USA showdown.


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