Was Chavez-Taylor A Good Call?

[Run]

I dont care what round the fight was stopped, Dont care what time the fight was stopped..Dont care who was ahead on the scorecard..but i know one thing THAT stoppage was a disgrace.

Haha what?

You don't care about Steele's perceived "bad timing" in stopping the fight with less than 10 seconds to go in the 12th round? That's the controversy.

Because if you truly think Taylor wasn't hurt, you're blind.

He had absolutely zero clue where he even was.



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[Ray*]

Sorry. I thought you pulled the race-card. Sorry I misunderstood.

I think (and hope) that the stoppage would have been made regardless of the fighters name or pedigree. But that's always an opinion. One cannot be certain and maybe I am naive or a hopeless romantic, but I believe in the same justice for all.

Chavez is a big name steele wouldnt have stopped the fight had he got up from a KD.

[Scott9945]

Chavez is a big name steele wouldnt have stopped the fight had he got up from a KD.

Just like they never would have stopped the fight if that were Mike Tyson getting up from a knockdown instead of Lennox Lewis (in the first McCall fight).

[Ray*]

Haha what?

You don't care about Steele's perceived "bad timing" in stopping the fight with less than 10 seconds to go in the 12th round? That's the controversy.

Because if you truly think Taylor wasn't hurt, you're blind.

He had absolutely zero clue where he even was.

The timing is irrelevant a fight can be stopped at any stage, The controversy for me was the fact that Taylor was up and steady at the mandatory count, Whether he was looking at the referee or his corner shouldnt be the reason for the referee to make up his mind ans stop the fight, The fact that he got up before 10 should have given him the benefit of doubt.

[mECHsLAVE]

Referees stop fights all the time when they feel a fighter is taking a lot of punishment and is hopelessly behind in the fight. It is most definitely a factor. They usually give the benefit of the doubt when the fight is close enough for either man to win. Obviously when a boxer is taking punishment and is one punch away from serious injury (Corrales-Castillo I), then you need to act immediately. But boxing history is full of fighters allowed to continue (even in fights refereed by Richard Steele) in much worse condition than Meldrick Taylor was in, and there were no tragic consequences. .

OK, and? What is your point? Refs stop fights all the time because fighters are hopelessly behind? NOPE! They don't consider the scorecards, and should not. If they stop it, in a situation like that, it's because the fighter is taking a beating and isn't competitive- which equals being behind on the scorecards- but that isn't why they stop it. They stop it because the fighter is taking undue punishment.

BUT none of that has anything whatsoever to do with this fight. The fight was competitive. The ref did not, and should not have, considered the scorecards. He should not have considered that Taylor was only down once (I mean, fighters only go down once and are hurt terribly, and sometimes not at all, and still are hurt too badly to continue). Again, what's your point? LOL He should consider one thing- the state of the fighter in front of him. And Meldrick was beaten to an absolute pulp, was not standing on his own (he had both arms on the ropes holding himself up) and wasn't coherent enough to even look at the ref and answer his question, nod, say anything, do anything. He was a beaten fighter. Could he have saved himself by answering the question and standing up on his own? Yes. But he didn't. He's a professional athlete and it's his fault he lost that fight, not Steele's.

Taylor had only been down once in the fight, was standing up ready to resume combat, and Steele had to know that the fight was mere seconds from being over.

That's where you are simply wrong. Nothing about Meldrick's stance, body, face, actions, speech (or lack of), NOTHING indicated that he was ready to resume combat. And as I've said, he was standing, but with the help of the ropes, not even under his own power. That ain't "ready to resume combat" that's "ready for the showers." Sorry.

[Run]

The fact that he got up before 10 should have given him the benefit of doubt.

No it shouldn't have because the ref has no obligation.

Steele was the ref, and he was in a position to make a judgment call.

Taylor's face looked like it had been hit with a baseball bat maybe 1000 times, and the right hand that landed was the straw that broke the Camel's back in Steele's eyes.........because he saw Taylor absorb those shots all night.

Well you did also right? He was ****ing dead man.

That's one of the worst beatings anyone has taken in boxing history.



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[Scott9945]

No it shouldn't have because the ref has no obligation.

Steele was the ref, and he was in a position to make a judgment call.

Taylor's face looked like it had been hit with a baseball bat maybe 1000 times, and the right hand that landed was the straw that broke the Camel's back in Steele's eyes.........because he saw Taylor absorb those shots all night.

Well you did also right? He was ****ing dead man.

That's one of the worst beatings anyone has taken in boxing history.

And that is one of the most outrageous exaggerations I've ever heard in boxing history. The guy fought five months later!

[TheGreatA]

It was an unfortunate situation.


Lou Duva told Meldrick Taylor that he had to fight for the 12th round even though Taylor was ahead on points. Taylor could have simply coasted the last round but that was not his style...

At the end of the round, Chavez landed a big right hand on Taylor during one of the several punching exchanges and knocked Meldrick down hard on the canvas.

The game Taylor got up quickly and Steele instructed Chavez to the neutral corner.
Looking to end it with his next punch, Chavez did not stay in the corner and Taylor's trainer Lou Duva started yelling at the referee because of this.
Steele did not hear Duva's words but Meldrick Taylor did.

Taylor stared at his trainer Lou Duva while Richard Steele was asking the question 'Are you alright?'.
Taylor did not answer in time and Steele stopped the fight, declaring Julio Cesar Chavez the winner.

It was evident from looking at Taylor's face at the end of the fight that while he had landed the larger amount of clean punches, it was Julio Cesar Chavez who had landed the harder, more effective punches.

Duva and Steele could have done a better job.

[Thread Stealer]

I really think that if Duva hadn't distracted Taylor when Steele was asking him questions, then Taylor would've verbally responded to Steele, the fight would have gone on, and Taylor would have won a SD.

I blame Duva for that. Anyone see him lying through his teeth on Legendary Nights, claiming he told Taylor to dance and stay away in round 12?

Duva is a liar, which is why I don't understand why people take him at his word when he claims that Steele had this long history before hand of favoring Don King fighters. The Tyson-Ruddock stoppage came a year AFTER Chavez-Taylor I. If we're talking about fights AFTER Chavez-Taylor I, then Steele also took away 2 points from Chavez against Randall, when Chavez lost by 1 point on the cards. Steele also let Taylor get away with quite a few low blows and borderline shots on Chavez.

The only fight I can think of before Chavez-Taylor I where you can say that Steele may have been pro-King was Tyson-Bruno I when he didn't penalize or warn Tyson for hitting Bruno when he was down (which is a common foul that seems to always get looked over), but even then, Steele let Bruno rabbit punch Tyson many many times before finally taking a point away.

[Scott9945]

It was an unfortunate situation.


Lou Duva told Meldrick Taylor that he had to fight for the 12th round even though Taylor was ahead on points. Taylor could have simply coasted the last round but that was not his style...

At the end of the round, Chavez landed a big right hand on Taylor during one of the several punching exchanges and knocked Meldrick down hard on the canvas.

The game Taylor got up quickly and Steele instructed Chavez to the neutral corner.
Looking to end it with his next punch, Chavez did not stay in the corner and Taylor's trainer Lou Duva started yelling at the referee because of this.
Steele did not hear Duva's words but Meldrick Taylor did.

Taylor stared at his trainer Lou Duva while Richard Steele was asking the question 'Are you alright?'.
Taylor did not answer in time and Steele stopped the fight, declaring Julio Cesar Chavez the winner.

It was evident from looking at Taylor's face at the end of the fight that while he had landed the larger amount of clean punches, it was Julio Cesar Chavez who had landed the harder, more effective punches.

Duva and Steele could have done a better job.

Very accurate and objective summary.