James Toney was one of the more dominant super middles I have ever seen, if not the most dominant. Roy deserves all the credit in the world for completely outclassing a truly great opponent. It was the absolute perfect example of "styles make fights" Toney will never beat a guy that can out quick him and does not choose to come forward after him, that is just not in Toney's make-up as a fighter to overcome...it will happen again to him(not the outquicking part, but Vitali will be very resourceful, pound the jab in Toney's face and even backpedal while doing it, Toney will be behind on the cards and will be forced to attack, I just don't see Toney being able to change who he is as a fighter. Sorry for going off point.
How good is Antonio Tarver?
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Don't be sorry for going off point. It's how underprivilaged boxing fans learn more. James Toney was awesome back then and he has proved how flexible he is by progressing up in the wieght divisions.Originally posted by scapJames Toney was one of the more dominant super middles I have ever seen, if not the most dominant. Roy deserves all the credit in the world for completely outclassing a truly great opponent. It was the absolute perfect example of "styles make fights" Toney will never beat a guy that can out quick him and does not choose to come forward after him, that is just not in Toney's make-up as a fighter to overcome...it will happen again to him(not the outquicking part, but Vitali will be very resourceful, pound the jab in Toney's face and even backpedal while doing it, Toney will be behind on the cards and will be forced to attack, I just don't see Toney being able to change who he is as a fighter. Sorry for going off point.Comment
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Wez Toney is flexible to a point, yes he has moved up and made it look easy but I think people forget about his weaknesses. Granted his chin maybe the best in the game, he has good power that he has carried with him, his defense is absolutely first rate and his counterpunching abilities are second to None, no not you Michael. Anyways his glaring weakness is fighters that decide to not too go after him, Jirov made a huge mistake thinking Toney would fold, Holyfield made a huge mistake by attacking, both men fought Toney's fight. When a man like Vitali decides to be patient and resourceful with his shots and throw them from the right distance Toney will loose a lopsided decision, just like he did against Jones, like he almost did against Nunn we all remember Dave Tiberi. Overall I love Toney, but I think Vitali will be smart about this fight if it materializes.Comment
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Right, he actually only landed 6 punches the whole 2 rounds.Originally posted by AssmanDestroyed Roy? C'mon, let's not play favorites, he landed one good punch.
Tarver is a good fighter....and he should beat Johnson. But lets not get carried away. Previous to the Jones fight, Tarvers best win was against Harding....Previous to that, Harding broke Tarvers jaw.
Johnson is a decent fighter also, but Tarver is a bit more complete.
Niether of these guys are what I would call "Great" fighters....yet.Comment
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I like the way Tarver uses his size...he seems to get no love simply because people don't like how he fights or how he talks. The difference that Johnson will see between Roy and Tarver is that Tarver is actually interested in winning. Johnson cannot come at Tarver the way he did Roy. Tarver will sit back on that big frame and counter punch Johnson all night until he drops. I hope Johnson comes through and beat Tarver but I don't think it'll happen very easily.Comment
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I personally think the way he talks is the best part about Toney T. He is the type of guy that I think can get moderate fans involved in the sport because of the way he promotes/trash talks/articulate a fight. I agree with you the rest of the way.Originally posted by oldgringoI like the way Tarver uses his size...he seems to get no love simply because people don't like how he fights or how he talks. The difference that Johnson will see between Roy and Tarver is that Tarver is actually interested in winning. Johnson cannot come at Tarver the way he did Roy. Tarver will sit back on that big frame and counter punch Johnson all night until he drops. I hope Johnson comes through and beat Tarver but I don't think it'll happen very easily.Comment
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Jones was definetly interested in winning.Why would he have such a flashy intro,talking about "Getting Back" and actually wear someone elses Gold Medal to the ring if he wasn't interested?I must admitt,Jones did show signs of uncertainty and wasn't as confident as he was before getting KTFO by Tarver.You gotta give Johnson credit though,regardless of R.J's mental state,Johnson came out in front of a R.J pro crowd and showed no fear as he pounded Jones until he finally knocked him out.
BTW,just because I think Johnson will beat Tarver,it doesn't mean I necessarily hate Tarver.I just think Johnsons experience and ring smarts will carry him to an easy Decision victory.Comment
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The thing is Tarver KO'd Jones in the second round of their rematch with a big left hand, Johnson dominated Jones throughout their fight and KO'd him in the ninth. Whoever can impose their will early on will be at a distinct advantage in this fight, the difference may be that Tarver can win it with one big left hand unless Johnson's chin is good, while Johnson will need to wear Tarver downComment
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anyone who says tarver is not good is crazy. i think we will see him get better. i am not his biggest fan in fact i just like him as a fighter. he is not my favorite fighter. but he will show how good he is still. im not saying he won't lose though, cuz i think he can be beat!!Comment
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