Joe Frazier....

[TheGreatA]

[Boogie Nights]

thanks for the video. man joe was tough

i often wondered if he ever did anything different in his strategy would it have changed the outcome in the foreman fight. that come and blaze style worked on everyone, and is the kind of style that would give trouble to any other style. it's hard to keep that kind of pressure off of you. and frazier being the smaller guy, perfected this art. you'd think it would work on foreman but no, too much size and power.
it just shows what a monstrous puncher foreman was. damn, george punched hard.

[Hagler★]

great vid
i hope shalfi isnt still mad at me lol

[TheGreatA]

thanks for the video. man joe was tough

i often wondered if he ever did anything different in his strategy would it have changed the outcome in the foreman fight. that come and blaze style worked on everyone, and is the kind of style that would give trouble to any other style. it's hard to keep that kind of pressure off of you. and frazier being the smaller guy, perfected this art. you'd think it would work on foreman but no, too much size and power.
it just shows what a monstrous puncher foreman was. damn, george punched hard.

Frazier tried a different strategy against Foreman the second time they fought.

Joe was old, injured, half-blind and 20 pounds past his best weight but he hung tough in there for 4 rounds before Foreman caught up to him in the 5th.

Frazier used more head movement and countered Foreman's wild punches with left hooks off the ropes, similar to Ron Lyle's strategy in his fight against Foreman.

Foreman just brushed the punches off though and kept coming forward. Frazier did not have the stamina and youth to keep going for 15 good rounds at that point, he could not see the punches coming very well either so it was a futile but game attempt at avenging the loss to Foreman.

I wonder how well a prime Frazier from the Ali fight would've done with the strategy he used in the rematch against the worst Foreman we ever saw (against Jimmy Young). Perhaps he could've beaten that Big George but prime for prime I doubt he ever could.


Here's the second fight between Frazier and Foreman.


Foreman punched very hard.
Frazier was a tough guy, look at the way he absorbs the uppercut in this vid (01:10) and keeps coming like it was nothing.

[Boogie Nights]

Frazier tried a different strategy against Foreman the second time they fought.

Joe was old, injured, half-blind and 20 pounds past his best weight but he hung tough in there for 4 rounds before Foreman caught up to him in the 5th.

Frazier used more head movement and countered Foreman's wild punches with left hooks off the ropes, similar to Ron Lyle's strategy in his fight against Foreman.

Foreman just brushed the punches off though and kept coming forward. Frazier did not have the stamina and youth to keep going for 15 good rounds at that point, he could not see the punches coming very well either so it was a futile but game attempt at avenging the loss to Foreman.

I wonder how well a prime Frazier from the Ali fight would've done with the strategy he used in the rematch against the worst Foreman we ever saw (against Jimmy Young). Perhaps he could've beaten that Big George but prime for prime I doubt he ever could.


Here's the second fight between Frazier and Foreman.


Foreman punched very hard.
Frazier was a tough guy, look at the way he absorbs the uppercut in this vid (01:10) and keeps coming like it was nothing.

i saw that fight before. but i meant another strategy in his prime, because i doubt that Joe could have handled George either way, it's just the lack of size didnt doe frazier any good. foreman is almost a towering 6'4 220 pounds of solid muscle, too much mass for joe. not only could he not take the shots, but i also doubt he would inflict any pain on the bull like foreman at any given opportunity

in the rematch i actually thought he tried to adapt ali's rope a dope. he danced in the center and then went to the ropes, waiting to counter George. it was sort of weird, and unusual to see frazier use that approach. joe is by no means a back footed fighter, he didnt have the legs to be a dancer. joe had very heavy footwork, like in his fights with ali, or the quarry fights, he'd just plant his feet, head to the chest, and **** away.

but even in his prime id give joe more chances using his old style then the one he used in the rematch. even if he had to risk walking through foreman's firepower again, it would do him much better than retreating and waiting to be caught. eventually foreman would catch up, but it was possible to wear down a young foreman, who didnt have the greatest stamina. that's just the way i see it. what helped frazier win fights was to be a predator, but i doubt that ever foreman would be his prey. i think that if they fought 10 times prime for prime, i always see joe getting knocked out 10 ttimes. and there's no shame in that, i always rated Foreman the #1 puncher in the whole history of boxing. Pure power.

what separates foreman from other punchers like say tyson, is the one punch. mike had awesome power, but he used it in combination and was very accurate delivering the shot in a split second, uncanny timing and speed for a big man of that stocky build. georoge on the other hand, liked to throw punches in flurries, he didnt have any specific combo, he'd just go in and start dishing out. he didnt care whether an opponent held his gloves up, foreman would just fire the shot throught he guard anyway, and it always made an impact. big george didnt aim, and he didnt care how cute you were, he engaged all the way.

therefore frazier might has his way with other heavy handed fighter, even shavers, but to try to run through foreman is gonna hurt.

[the330ballers]

Joe Frazier is one of my all-time favorite fighters. Aggressive, relentless, powerful, and the greatest left hook in boxing history. I do agree with you that loss against Foreman really changed him.

he was never the same after the first ali fight that he won easily. he had to go to the hospital, i forgot for what though. it was that fight where ali said if joe frazier died he would have quit boxing.

frazier was an all time great heavyweight. he was very good at bobbing and weaving and put a lot of pressure on his opponents. similar to tysons style but i think he'd put more pressure on his guy. and he did have a very good right to the body as well.

[TheGreatA]

It was not Frazier's usual style but I thought he did quite well for himself.
He was old and heavy but still made Foreman miss a lot and hit him with some solid punches. Foreman's right eye had swollen up pretty badly from those left hooks.

The only way I can see Frazier ever beating Foreman really is if he tries to survive the early rounds because those are the rounds when he is most vulnerable.
Frazier has to fight like he did in the rematch early on but he should punch to the body rather than the head.

If Frazier comes straight at Foreman like he did in the first, there's no way he can survive. Foreman's uppercuts would cut straight through Frazier's cross-arm block just like they did in the first fight against Frazier and in the fight against Ken Norton...
The bobbing & weaving style just does not work against Foreman.

Joe would have to land some solid shots to the body to tire Foreman out because, as hard as Frazier could punch, there's no way he could hurt Foreman with a punch to the head unless he had gone to the body first.
Big George could take a shot.