(Prime) Roy Jones Jr vs Joe Calzaghe

[Knicksman20]

From the Ice Man guys:

"You know what, Knicks...I truly believe that NO ONE could have beat a prime RJ at 168 pounds. From, say, 1994 to 1998 he was SUPERMAN."

[medium-deek]

A draw by unanimous decision you **** sucking SOB **** ****ing bastard.

[IMDAZED]

Of course they are. Kessler was an beaten 39-0 and had two of the major title belts. Kessler also has more top 10 wins than the greatest super middleweight of all time. Jeff Lacy was the favorite in that fight and was the unbeaten IBF/IBO super middleweight champion.


Bernard Hopkins was a green contender at the time that he fought Jones and he fought limited opposition up until that point. James Toney was weight drained before the Jones fight and had to be hooked to IVs before the fight so he wouldn't pass out. He weighed in at 214 LBS 2 weeks before the fight and damn near killed himself to make the 168 LB limit. I and many others would say yes, Calzaghe has fought and beaten the bigger threats. Calzaghe beat these fighters when they was at 100%, in their prime and at their best.

**sniff sniff**

I smell Johnny Come Lately.

Mikkel Kessler who beat the likes of Marcus Beyer and Librado Andrade is better than an undefeated James Toney who beat Iran Barkley, Mike McCallum, Prince Charles Williams and Michael Nunn? A prime James Toney, who was ranked no lesser than #3 pound for pound at the time? GImme a ****in break.

And cut the weight crap. He put on a masterpiece performance against Prince Charles Williams only four months before losing to Jones. And now he was weight drained? Was he weight drained against Jirov too? I mean, he weighed 226 in the fight before that one.

And Jeff Lacy is the epitome of overrated. Whether he was favored or not is irrelevant. The fact is, he beat NOBODY before Calzaghe and NOBODY after. And you have the NERVE to say these guys are better than a prime Toney??

GTFOH.

[Jolly Roger]

But you have to take a look from Jones point of view. He was P4P the #1 fighter in the sport. A well known fighter & multi-division champ & the challenger who's virtually an unknown wants you to come to his backyard overseas & fight him. Of course any boxer would want to be compensated for doing that. Cal was the fighter that needed to establish himself so he should've made more of an effort to fight Jones but he was content to defend his WBO belt at home.

Absolutely, i understand Roy Jones point of view. I also understand Calzaghes though, he was already established and already considered the best in his division. He wasn't big in America, but he's beaten Lacy and Kessler now, and he's still not big in America. This fight just wasn't going to happen back then, both men seemed to have different(and understandable) goals.

[slicksouthpaw16]

**sniff sniff**

I smell Johnny Come Lately.

Mikkel Kessler who beat the likes of Marcus Beyer and Librado Andrade is better than an undefeated James Toney who beat Iran Barkley, Mike McCallum, Prince Charles Williams and Michael Nunn? A prime James Toney, who was ranked no lesser than #3 pound for pound at the time? GImme a ****in break.


And cut the weight crap. He put on a masterpiece performance against Prince Charles Williams only four months before losing to Jones. And now he was weight drained? Was he weight drained against Jirov too? I mean, he weighed 226 in the fight before that one.

And Jeff Lacy is the epitome of overrated. Whether he was favored or not is irrelevant. The fact is, he beat NOBODY before Calzaghe and NOBODY after. And you have the NERVE to say these guys are better than a prime Toney??

GTFOH.

Do you know that you're not making any sense? Facts are facts. Read his biography, it talks about the fight.

http://lightsout10.tripod.com/toney_biography.htm

It will tell you all you need to know because i really don't have to time to go over this again, especially since i already have. I Can't waste my time.

[IMDAZED]

Do you know that you're not making any sense? Facts are facts. Read his biography, it talks about the fight.

http://lightsout10.tripod.com/toney_biography.htm

It will tell you all you need to know because i really don't have to time to go over this again, especially since i already have. I Can't waste my time.

Excuse me? Care to point out what I said that wasn't a fact??

Did James Toney NOT fight Prince Charles Williams only FOUR MONTHS before fighting Jones and look absolutely spectacular??

Was James Toney NOT considered arguably the best fighter in the world in 1994? With a glistening 44-0 record against a who's who of the middleweight and super middleweight division?

Yeah, don't waste your time.

Weight problems, my a**. He had weight problems HIS WHOLE CAREER - the one time he gets shut out it's an excuse? Please.

[Mugwump]

There is no doubt Toney was in bad shape for the Jones fight. I mean, you only have to LOOK at the guy to know he's not in peak condition.

[Chunk..]

But you have to take a look from Jones point of view. He was P4P the #1 fighter in the sport. A well known fighter & multi-division champ & the challenger who's virtually an unknown wants you to come to his backyard overseas & fight him. Of course any boxer would want to be compensated for doing that. Cal was the fighter that needed to establish himself so he should've made more of an effort to fight Jones but he was content to defend his WBO belt at home.

Hit the nail on the head.

I refuse to believe that an opportunity for Joe to fight Jones didn't come up more then once. 10 years WBO champ!!!!!!!! Am sorry but Roy Jones would not have ignored that and not tried more then once to make that fight happen.

[nvme]

Wow, Immanuel Kant step on down.

If you truly believe Jones was some unstoppable force then i feel sorry for you.

I'll grade your comeback P for piss-poor. I was going to show my compassion and grade it I for illiterate nonsense, but what's the use in grading ****?

wow. ur sooo gaay man. go lick the **** from ur mums ass.

[old68]

Both Kessler and Calzaghe are being overrated as of late.