Is there such a thing as a lucky punch?

[Easy-E]

Tarver Jones II, Mcall Lewis I.
Lucky punches.

[My Name Is...]

That's terrible logic.

No one is debating that THROWING a punch isn't luck.

And based on pure physics, there's no such thing as a lucky punch because physically everything happens for a reason.

But if you just close your eyes and start winging punches without any direct target in sight, and after 50 punches you manage to connect right on the button, you're going to tell me that isn't luck?

So tell me this, when kirk johnson fought Maskaev, he threw a 1-2 combo and closed his eyes and came with a left hook that caught Maskaev right on the chin. Was it luck that he caught him with it with his eyes closed? Or was there something he saw in the ring that made him feel Mask was going to be open for the left hook? Im sure he knew what he was doing and felt Mask would be open, so he threw it. Whether his eyes were closed or not he felt the need to through the punch, knew that Mak was going to be in front of him nad caught him. That is what we call instincts.

[!! Shawn]

naw there really isnt. If you study your opponent and know whats gonna happen, if you throw a timed punch whether your eyes are closed or not it wass thrown with strategy behind. Perfect example is Kirk Johnson vs Maskaev.

Exactly, the mere fact that you threw the punch precludes luck as a factor. You threw the punch with intent. People assume that fighters are ****** and that just because you are not looking at your opponent, you don't know where they are.

Just take Bernard Hopkins for example. He almost never looks at his opponents when he throws right hands, does that make all of his punches lucky? No. He knows what he is doing.

Just as every fighter does. Getting knocked out by a punch has nothing to do with luck either. In order to get caught with a punch, you yourself have to make a mistake, once against disproving the notion of a lucky punch.

If you have actually watched interviews about McCall vs Lewis 1, you would know that the punch McCall knocked Lewis out with was well rehearsed, and in fact was the backbone of their strategy that night. Much as Max Schmelling had a strategy against Joe Louis.

There is no such thing as a lucky punch. A careless fighter? Yes. An unexpected punch? Yes. A lucky punch? Not a chance in hell.

[My Name Is...]

Exactly, the mere fact that you threw the punch precludes luck as a factor. You through the punch with intent. People assume that fighters are ****** and that just because you are not looking at your opponent, you don't know where they are.

Just take Bernard Hopkins for example. He almost never looks at his opponents when he throws right hands, does that make all of his punches lucky? No. He knows what he is doing.

Just as every fighter does. Getting knocked out by a punch has nothing to do with luck either. In order to get caught with a punch, you yourself have to make a mistake, once against disproving the notion of a lucky punch.

If you have actually watched interviews about McCall vs Lewis 1, you would know that the punch McCall knocked Lewis out with was well rehearsed, and in fact was the backbone of their strategy that night. Much as Max Schmelling had a strategy against Joe Lewis.

There is no such thing as a lucky punch. A careless fighter? Yes. An unexpected punch? Yes. A lucky punch? Not a chance in hell.

Nice Post!!

[!! Shawn]

That's terrible logic.

No one is debating that THROWING a punch isn't luck.

And based on pure physics, there's no such thing as a lucky punch because physically everything happens for a reason.

But if you just close your eyes and start winging punches without any direct target in sight, and after 50 punches you manage to connect right on the button, you're going to tell me that isn't luck?

That is exactly what I am saying. Throwing alot of punches with the intent to overwhelm your opponents defense is a thought out game plan. The one punch that lands is by definition not lucky, because it was the result of a well executed plan.

[frankpaganini]

I was told today by a fellow member(!!Shawn) on this board there is no such thing as a lucky punch.

Whats your thoughts?

So Oscars punch with his eyes closed that won him gold at the olympics was not lucky?

Or people getting battered on the ropes, who have one last punch before the fight is stopped, which is landed. Then they win by KO. Is that not lucky?

Your thoughts.

i 100% believe there is some luck in certain punches (ie. punching with your eyes close or having your head down to avoid punches but landing a winged haymaker, etc.).

you cant tell me its not lucky to land a punch with your eyes closed? yes there is SOME skill involved but its also a little luck. think back to michael jordan making free throws with his eyes closed...there was some skill to it of course but also some luck.

same thing goes for when the clock to a game is winding down and the player will launch the ball from the opposite side of the court and actually makes the basket...yes there is some skill there but also a little luck.

there is luck and skill involved plain and simple...you cant say its all skill that would be insane to say you are SO skilled of a fighter you can consistantly land punches with your eyes closed or not looking...

[!! Shawn]

i 100% believe there is some luck in certain punches (ie. punching with your eyes close or having your head down to avoid punches but landing a winged haymaker, etc.).

you cant tell me its not lucky to land a punch with your eyes closed? yes there is SOME skill involved but its also a little luck. think back to michael jordan making free throws with his eyes closed...there was some skill to it of course but also some luck.

same thing goes for when the clock to a game is winding down and the player will launch the ball from the opposite side of the court and actually makes the basket...yes there is some skill there but also a little luck.

there is luck and skill involved plain and simple...you cant say its all skill that would be insane to say you are SO skilled of a fighter you can consistantly land punches with your eyes closed or not looking...

The mere fact that you have admitted that there is skill involved precludes luck as a factor. For all of these "Lucky punches" you have to ask how many times the punch was throws before the desired result was achieved. The answer is always "a lot". Once again, the simple fact that the punch was consciously repeated indicates the boxer had intent, and the results were therefor not lucky.

[Silencers]

I think there are, like when McCall KO'd Lewis and Tarver knocking out Jones with their eyes closed.

[Guest]

Rahman and Tarver had the skill and power to put Lewis and Jones to sleep and they used that skill and power.

and Lewis and RJJ....slept.

[frankpaganini]

The mere fact that you have admitted that there is skill involved precludes luck as a factor. For all of these "Lucky punches" you have to ask how many times the punch was throws before the desired result was achieved. The answer is always "a lot". Once again, the simple fact that the punch was consciously repeated indicates the boxer had intent, and the results were therefor not lucky.

there can still be luck involved.

you cant tell me if you close your eyes and swing that you are certain the punch will land?

if you stood in front of me and closed your eyes and flung a fist my way i would simply duck the punch; repeatedly...

and since my eyes are open and yours arent chances are 9 times out of 10 i will land a successful counterpunch.

if you DO land that punch you are going to tell me you're so skilled you just KNEW it was going to land?

no one would believe that.