Apologies...The Problem With Criticising Floyd

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I do not like Floyd Mayweather. I hate to see the way a boxer of such extravagant gifts runs the sport down and wastes time fighting the Big Show. But...I do think some of his more agressive critics go overboard in attacking his record and choice of opponents.

First, I think that in reality, his much derided bouts with De la Hoya and Hatton, were in fact the two most credible bouts he could have taken at the time. (I saw someone saying something like this in another thread, and it got me thinking). De la Hoya is (or was) considered to be one of the only fighters with the natural gifts to trouble Floyd. Sure he was aging, but his extra size and (presumably) power, meant that expecting him to win was at least realistic. When the fight happened, it was hardly a mismatch and Floyd simply proved to be the better boxer, which was exactly what he needed to do. If he hadn't fought the Golden Boy, then the question of which of these two amazing fighters was the best would never have been answered, and doubts would persist. Floyd made the right choice.

The same, broadly speaking, is true of Hatton, who IMO was an even more credible contender than De La Hoya. I know a lot of US fans don't like him, but he was at the time an undefeated junior welterweight (an ideal weight for Floyd) monster, who had beaten the man in Tsyzu and come up to welter and successfully taken titles. Based on past Floyd fights like Castillo 1, he also appeared to have the style, that if any could, might trouble Floyd. Again, Floyd faced him and beat him easily. Question answered again.

I do not believe that there were another two fighters out there than the gifted, bigger veteran that De La Hoya was and the up and coming unbeatable Hatton, that Floyd could have more credibly faced. In one way, Floyd beat the past, and he beat the future.

Now to the present, Miguel Cotto. I agree Floyd should fight him, but for those who accuse Floyd of ducking, is he really?. Do you honestly, in your heart of hearts belive that Cotto beats Floyd? I do not. IMO, Cotto, talent and style wise, falls somewhere between De La Hoya and Hatton, without actually having the particular gifts of either. He is a pressure fighter like Hatton, but his style is more like that of the aging de La Hoya, come ahead and somewhat predicatable. He doesn't quite have Hatton's speed, but nor does he have (IMO) the power of the larger De La Hoya. I think, in fact, that he is tailor made for Floyd, and we would see a very similar fight to Floyd/ De La Hoya, with Floyd, basically picking off the bigger man from range and getting a wide UD. If anyone has reasons why this is not the case, then I would love to hear it.

So to conclude, I think that basically Floyd believes that he has proved everything he needs to prove, and I think he is right. Sure, it would be nice to see Cotto v Mayweather, but the reality is we've seen it before, and we already know the result. Floyd has been around a long time and those who accuse him of ducking, and being a coward might perhaps benefit from a bit of perspective. Loathsome as he may be, he is by far the most gifted boxer in the world today and to be frank, he looks pretty close to unbeatable. If he wanted to, he could forge an even more impressive legacy, but at the end of the day, that is up to him. It would be great if he did, because we would get to see more of a remarkable talent, but I don't think we need to, because we already know he is the best.

i don't agree wit this post but hey at least we ALL got the same desire to see FLOYD VS MIGUEL.

u are not like that horus u talk in a neutral way which is an opinion that i respect but don't agree.

[abadger]

its really because about 10% criticize Floyd's resume, 20% criticize Floyd's antics outside of the ring, and 70% criticize Floyd's decisions as a Boxer/"Businessman".

When you become a "business man" above a "boxer", you let money dictate the quality of fights you engage in and at THAT isnt P4P behavior.

Its a shame that politics and money are so intertwined with this that Floyd prolly wouldnt get stripped of his title or status even if he were to rematch Baldomir again which at this point, I wouldnt be surprised if he did.

"We're not fighting to prove to the fans who the best is." - The #1 P4P fighter in the world.

Just to clarify, I completely agree with anyone criticising Floyd's "antics". In fact I think he is so egotistical that he is actually trying to turn boxing into something like WWE by making it more 'flashy' and thus more appealing to the mainstream. I can only presume he is doing this out of some misguided capitalist notion that 'more popular' is equal to 'better'.

I think his resume is as good as exists out there, though with his talent, could, and should be better.

As for his decisions as a boxer/ businessman, I don't have a real problem with him taking fights that will make him money, but since he is already incredibly wealthy, and any fight he is involved in is certain to bring in millions, it would be nice if he could show a little more respect for the sport that enabled him to make those millions in the first place.

That quote about "not boxing to prove to the fans who the best is" horrifies me. Surely, if boxing is a sport at all that is exactly what you fight for, otherwise it really IS WWE.

I reiterate though, the reason that Floyd is able to do and say all these things, is because he knows he IS the best, he knows WE know it, and he knows he can get away with it as a result. If boxing were a little bit LESS like WWE, and actually have say, a meaningful, enforcable system of mandatory challenges and a structured approach to matchmaking, Floyd would not be able to behave in this way, and his claims to p4p #1 greatness would be not only true, but meaningful.

But the last time boxing had anything like this, was, well, never.
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[Horus]

3 things are going to happen...

1. People are going to accept your post ...And Still Feel the way they do about Floyd
2. People are going to not going to accept your post. And tell you Floyd is an *******.
3. People are not EVEN going to Reply because they can not Rebuttal your argument... In an educational Manner... Instead resort to name calling and call you a Nutthugger...

That's how it works With the Floyd Haters, they will always find a way to Hate...That's just how it is...No kind of Logic or Facts or Argument is going to change this Circle of Hate...

Nothing in this world, Can Stop a hater from hating...
Especially a FLOYD hater or a Cotto Fan...

THIS POST made perfect sense and look how nobody has nothing to say about it...Look how many views this thread gets compare to a FLOyd hate Thread.... People don’t want to hear the Truth... It's an old fact about Life...

It's like the old saying goes :

Would you like to hear a Pretty Lie?
Or
The ugly Truth...!

And this Thread is the Ugly Truth....

Nonetheless when they POST something about Floyd Terrible Resume YOU will get 50 people all posting and Agreeing That FLOYD sucks and he never fought anybody good....

That's a pretty Lie...


Unless Floyd loses these Haters will never be satisfied NEVER...

That’s THE UGLY TRUTH...

Do I know these Haters or Do I know these Haters...Everything I said that would happen, HAPPEN..!!!

1. People are going to accept your post ...And Still Feel the way they do about Floyd

- 2501
if he's proven everything he's needed to proven, then he needs to get out of the way, keep fighting circus acts and let the real fighters fight for what he has given and is taking for granted. as long as he keeps being called the P4P #1 fighter without actually fighting the right competition, he will continue to be criticized. its that simple. i could care less how much money he gets. he can go ahead and fight a gorilla for 34 billion dollars, but if Boxing is no longer a means for him to prove his dominance as the sport's best, then he needs to step aside.

2. People are going to not going to accept your post.

-2501

he needs to get out of the way, keep fighting circus acts and let the real fighters fight for what he has given and is taking for granted.

3. People are not EVEN going to Reply because they can not Rebuttal your argument... In an educational Manner...

Look how many views Or Replies this thread gets compare to a FLOyd hate Thread....



GOOD POST though Man.....

Green K coming your Way...

[abadger]

Do I know these Haters or Do I know these Haters...Everything I said that would happen, HAPPEN..!!!

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Thanks for your kind comments. I haven't actually been called a nuthugger yet, but I won't feel I'm a real man on boxing scene until it happens.
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[abadger]

i don't agree wit this post but hey at least we ALL got the same desire to see FLOYD VS MIGUEL.

u are not like that horus u talk in a neutral way which is an opinion that i respect but don't agree.

Thankyou. I respect your opinion too. I'd be interested to know what your opinion on Floyd vs Migel is.
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[Brandish]

It is annoying, on so many levels, it shouldn't be that way, but unless Floyd changes, or (I think more importantly) boxing changes and becomes more of a sport than a business, then I think that's the way it stays.

Any thoughts?

remember that boxing is a sport, albeit the most dangerous it is still a sport. boxing is as close as you are going to get to a real gladiator. boxing like all other sports is a business you cannot seperate the two. yur romantic notion of roman gladiators is misguided and disingenious.

floyd answers to no one but floyd and his family....he is not your slave or field hand therefore enjoy his skills why he is still fighting because you will never see it again in your lifetime.

[Vladimir303]

Good thread and great writing.

Guys like Horus could learn a thing or two about a thing or two from you on how to make a long post readable.

[abadger]

remember that boxing is a sport, albeit the most dangerous it is still a sport. boxing is as close as you are going to get to a real gladiator. boxing like all other sports is a business you cannot seperate the two. yur romantic notion of roman gladiators is misguided and disingenious.

floyd answers to no one but floyd and his family....he is not your slave or field hand therefore enjoy his skills why he is still fighting because you will never see it again in your lifetime.

As you will see from my previous posts on this topic, I certainly do appreciate being able to see Floyd's skills, indeed I consider them to be the greatest skills in boxing today.

You will also see that I agree that Floyd does not HAVE to prove anything to anyone, he's already proved it.

However, you must agree it is a shame that Floyd is not keener on demonstrating those skills to us even more. I don't say he HAS to, just that it would be great. What boxing fan wouldn't want to see him fight Cotto, Williams et al, take on Pacquaio and retire as a contender for GOAT?

I say the same about any fighter. I want Calzaghe - Pavlik, Hatton - Witter, Khan - Katsidis, I want to see every great fight out there! Don't you?
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[abadger]

Good thread and great writing.

Guys like Horus could learn a thing or two about a thing or two from you on how to make a long post readable.

Thanks. Appreciate it.
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[Vladimir303]

Thanks. Appreciate it.

Speaking of long threads and Floyd Mayweather. Peep this satirical tale that I wrote and tell me what you think

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=171855