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Floyd will never be as popular as Roy Jones, Oscar,Ray Leonard and defintely not Ali just to name a few......
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Do you really believe your own bull****? Mayweather isn't even the biggest draw of his era. He was a nobody in the sport for years even as he was a P4P fighter. It took 8 years for him to finally get a PPV. The only PPV he has carried on his name alone did just 325k buys. Comparing him to Ali's popularity is a joke...Originally posted by Horus View PostComment
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The answer to your multi-coloured thread is no he will not be more popular than Ali.Comment
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Your Logic is Absent from basic intelligent thinking and not support by Facts...!!!Originally posted by !! $iN View Post
Floyd vs. No Name Fighter with no U.S exposure (T.V):
Floyd vs.Carlos Baldomir 325,000 buys = 16.3 Million
"We're very pleased with Mayweather's PPV performance, especially given that Baldomir had little previous exposure in the US," HBO PPV's Mark Taffet said.
Baldomir's only previous U.S. exposure came in his January upset of Judah to win the welterweight title and his July knockout of Gatti in his first defense.
"These numbers are very reflective of the numbers generated by Oscar when he did not have the well-known name challenger in the other corner, which obviously speaks volumes of Floyd's star power," Goossen said.
Now Let's Compare Floyd to Oscar
Boxing Number #1 P.P.V Attraction FIGHTING NO NAME FIGHTERS...WITH barely NO U.S Exposure
Because Floyd vs. Anybody else fighting No Name Fighters with very little U.S exposure he wins Hands down..!!
Examples:
Roy Jones generated 160,000-175,000 buys in his first few PPV bouts against Montell Griffin, Vinny Pazienza and Eric Harding.
This was when Jones was A p4p Elite...
So what that tell you about Floyd doing Better 3x times with Baldomir
than
Jones did with Montell Griffin, Vinny Pazienza and Eric Harding
or
each fight in the memorable Marco Antonio Barrera-Erik Morales trilogy produced 300,000-320,000 buys and $13-15 million.
or
Marco Antonio Barrera vs. Juan Manuel Marquez 225,000 PPV buys
And I can Name Alot of Other Fighters and fights too that Flop with Marginal Names compare to Floyd with a no name and no exposure Baldomir..
But Let's Continue
Oscar vs. No Names with No U.S Exposure (T.V):
M.A. Gonzalez(1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
6 fights in the United States before the fight...
Felix Sturm (6/04) 380,000 buys = $19.0 million
This is after Oscar already had 3 Mega Fights over 925,000 P.P.V buys...
Trinidad, Fernando Vargas, Shane Mosley
This also after Oscar already had 4 fights of P.P.V over 550,000 P.P.V buys
Hector Camacho, Ike Quartey, J.C Chavez II, Shane Mosley,
So how do you do only 380,000 after all of that exposure in MEGA FIGHTS...?
And this is Oscar De La Hoya..... So that shows you how much ExposURe in the United States Affect P.P.V sales...
Now Lets See what Happens when Floyd Has A well-known name challenger in the other corner :
vs.
EveryBody Else
Remember Floyd draw is not base on popularity, he plays the bad guy role he is more Notorious than Popular....
The rest of these fighters are Popular....
Floyd vs. One A well-known name challenger who been on P.P.V before besides Oscar:
Floyd vs. Hatton 850,000 in the US alone = $47 million in PPV revenue
The highest tally ever for a PPV boxing match that did not feature a heavyweight fighter such as Mike Tyson or Evander Holyfield, or a Latino fighter like Oscar De La Hoya.
facts:
This fight was the highest-grossing PPV fight ever that didn't feature a heavyweight or Oscar.
Floyd vs. Hatton Combined = 2.5 Million buys just to throw that in there...
Oscar vs. Big Names Not Name Mayweather:
Felix Trinidad (9/99) 1.4 million buys = $71.4 million in PPV revenue
Shane Mosley II (9/03) 950,000 buys = $48.4 million in PPV revenue
Bernard Hopkins (9/04) 1 million buys = $56.0 million in PPV revenue
Ricardo Mayorga (5/06) 875,000 buys = $43.8 million in PPV revenue
Pacquaio vs. Big Names
Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV
PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV
Morales/Pacquiao III - 350,000 buys
Morales/Pacquiao II - 355,000 buys
Pacquaio vs. Marquez 400,000 buys
Roy Jones vs. Big Names
Roy Jones Jr vs. Felix Trinidad 500,000 PPV = $25 million
Roy Jones Jr vs. John Ruiz 602,000 PPV = $26.5 million
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver II 382,000 PPV
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver III 402,000 PPV
Felix Trinidad vs. Big Names Besides Oscar:
Felix Trinidad vs. Roy Jones 500,000 PPV
Felix Trinidad vs. Winky Wright 510,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Bernard Hopkins 475,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Ricardo Mayorga 420,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Fernando Vargas 560,000 buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar
Bernard Hopkins vs. Felix Trinidad 475,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor II 410,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys
Shane Mosley vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas 420,000 Buys
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys
THE REAL POINT...
Floyd fighting a Nobody is almost the equivalent to any fight the 3rd Biggest Name in Boxing (Pacquaio) is fighting in and that is with Big Names
Floyd fighting a Nobody is almost the equivalent to
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Miguel Cotto vs. zab Judah 225,000 PPV
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys
and Floyd fighting a marginal Name Like Judah is bigger than all those fights..
And Judah is barely a marginal Name
So Floyd vs. Judah = 375,000 buys So you could say that was all Floyd with a Marginal name fighter is better than 2/5 of the most Highest Selling P.P,V EVER not including a HeavyWeight or Oscar..
And if you Say Judah was superstar before the Mayweather Fight how..??
Because What exactly makes Judah a superstar or a big name? that was his first PPV and he had done nothing before that to prove he was a major draw.
There are only a handful of true superstars in the sport. DLH, Trinidad, Hopkins, Jones. Mayweather , and Pacquiao
Judah is and was nowhere near that level before and After. Would a superstar take $100k to fight Cory Spinks fighting in his own backyard..?
So Floyd did fight a nobody his name was Carlos Baldomir and that fight was almost the equivalent to any of the big fights in the past 10 years...and better than 1/5 of the most Highest Selling P.P.V EVER not including a HeavyWeight or Oscar..
Like I said Before Floyd fighting a A well-known name challenger Is better than anybody not name Oscar,Tyson, or Holyfield
Floyd Mayweather = 216.65 Million on 4.65 million Buys ( 5 Events)
Mark Taffet HBO:
Jones-Tarver I did 302,000 buys and Jones-Tarver II did 384,000 buys. Mayweather’s fights with Gatti (originally reported at 340,000 but now at 360,000 buys) and Judah (375,000 buys now, hopefully a bit higher when the dust settles in a few months) outperformed Jones-Tarver I and came within 8% of Jones-Tarver II --- an excellent relative performance by Mayweather’s first two PPV fights. While Tarver-Jones III was originally reported at 415,000 buys, the fight actually ended up generating around 440,000 buys, which was outstanding. And to expect Floyd’s first two PPV fights to outperform Tarver-Jones III --- the rubber match of a classic trilogy --- would be unfair. Also remember that Roy Jones generated 160,000-175,000 buys in his first few PPV bouts against Montell Griffin, Vinny Pazienza and Eric Harding, and didn’t really breakthrough on PPV until he fought John Ruiz for the heavyweight title (602,000) and then fought Tarver three times. So Mayweather’s first two PPV fights fare very well by these yardsticks.
Remember, Taylor-Hopkins II generated 410,000 buys after Hopkins-Taylor I generated 370,000 buys. At 370,000 buys, Hopkins-Taylor I compared very similarly to Mayweather’s first two PPV fights, and don’t forget that Hopkins had been in a 480,000-buy PPV fight with Trinidad in 2001 and a 1,000,000-buy event versus Oscar De La Hoya before the two fights with Jermain Taylor. With this as background, Mayweather’s first two PPV fights again stand up well in a relative comparison.
And Trinidad-Wright was a great success at 520,000 buys, but remember that 70,000 of those buys came from Tito’s homeland Puerto Rico where he is a “national” hero, so the 450,000 US buys are a better barometer when comparing to Mayweather’s bouts. Additionally, you must note that Trinidad had previously been in big PPV promotions against Hopkins (480,000 buys), Vargas (560,000 buys) and De La Hoya (1,400,000 buys) prior to the Winky Wright event. Again, when taking all this into account, Mayweather’s first two PPV events fare very well.
Gatti-Mayweather PPV Success
Before they met , neither Arturo Gatti nor Floyd Mayweather had ever headlined a pay-per-view event. Nevertheless, the bout did an impressive 340,000 buys, generating $15.3 million in PPV revenue. With those numbers, Gatti and Mayweather join Oscar De La Hoya and Felix Trinidad as non-heavyweights who have the star power to carry a pay-per-view event.
Last edited by Horus; 03-28-2008, 02:52 PM.Comment
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It's Ironic how people hate Floyd ...And Are so bias
that they Create Amazing double-standards
the "Double-Standard" FLOYD on Has on him is Amazing. Floyd is Held to a Standard No Fighter in History is Held too,,,
"Mayweather Double-Standard"
1. Cant Fight Nobody who is his same size or smaller then him or it isnt a fair fight...
(Have to fight Bigger Opponents for the fight to be Fair...
)
2. No tune up's fights
3. Gotta be Fighting every 4 Months..
4. Gotta focus only on Boxing
5. Cant fight for Money, He has to fight to proved what he already is.. and that is Number #1
6. Anybody he fights and beats is a bum until somebody else beats them, then that's that Fighter career Achievement.
7. You only can Compare Floyd to All Time Greats or it dont Count
8. Floyd whole resume doesnt Count... Just only 2 years of his resume
9. Floyd cant turn down no fight...
10. Floyd must Fight every fighter in Boxing to proved he is Number #1
Like the saying goes...
Whatever applies to Floyd, apparently doesn't apply to anyone else. And what doesn't apply to Floyd, applies to everyone else. It's a circle.
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Floyd only sold 325k with no name Baldomir... he's not a REAL STAR"
"WOW Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys!! They are the true stars of boxing!"
Last edited by Horus; 03-28-2008, 11:00 AM.Comment
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of course, haha.
He's going to be notorious. In fact I think he's the epitome of boxing's all time bad guy.............he's still around. He's still mouthing off on everyone. It's almost like you can't escape him or his constant self ego inflation slash opponent demeaning behavior. He'll always be the villain
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How do you explain your Votes...?Comment
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Rae, lol.
I know you hate Mayweather but he's boxings biggest draw right now.
Oscar should be in a wheelchair. And he'll get worked by Forbes.
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And that's my Point... He is a DRAW not because he is Popular, It is because he is "Notorious"Originally posted by RunW/Knives View Post
And Like I said Before I don’t think WHAT Floyd is doing is a bad thing....
Some of the most "Famous and successful" people history has ever known
Have been more "Notorious" than Popular... or Have been "Notorious" before they became "Popular"
Al Capone
2pac
Biggie
Ali
Malcolm X
Kobe Bryant
Terrell Owens
Deion Sanders
Britney Spears
Charles Barkley
Scarface (Tony Montana)
The list goes on....
The dude is the 2nd Biggest Draw In Boxing....Comment
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Yes he is easily the second biggest draw in boxing.Originally posted by Horus View Post
I was in fact being facetious with the Oscar as an oldie thing.
But you get my drift.
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