When Pacman Got Hit with that Left right on the chin...

[tyson]

I think Pacquiao's punch resistance has gotten better as he's moved up in weight as he's less weakened by making weight and probably has stronger legs.

Similar thing with DLH having chin questions early in his career due to the Campanella and Valenzuela fights, and showing a very good chin as he's moved up.

Pacquiao was dropped and badly hurt by a jab from Nedal Hussein, but stood up to some good shots from Morales, Barrera, and Marquez. Holyfield was dropped and hurt by guys like Cooper and Ruiz but never dropped by the uppercuts (or straight rights) of Lewis, or Tyson as well.

Boxing's weird like that sometimes. Doesn't always make the most sense.

This would be because there is always a factor infinite & unknown.

Every second of every fight is different. There's ups and downs in a fighter's mental condition, awareness, reflexes, vision etc etc.

There's also different mind-sets going into each and every fight.

The will is important here. A man who really wants to win a particular fight will be able to absorb more in a fight then he will in a fight he's not that focused in.

Basicly, it's impossible to predict those kinds of things, because there is always this factor that's infinite & unknow.

It's the only way to explain those things.

[Bogler]

lol How could you be as bold to assume JMM or Paq is stronger let alone durable enough to withstand Soto, Guzman, or Valereo? Just for the sake of a Paq arguement, lol right?

Well use your head to think, not your ass. Or do you actually use your head to think, but you talk out of your ass? lol Either way, Soto, Valereo, even Guzman with his speed are actual 130lbers. Just cause JMM and Paq moved up and get more attention, lol Does not mean they're in the same league as those guys. Those are all "actual" heavy hitters. Type of fighters you never seen your boy in against, because if you did see em, you'd be more respectfull of their talents and attributes.

Soto, not that fast, but fast enough, and his power is evident. You seen him go toe to toe with Guzman and he was still able to stay in the fight. Wich is why Guzman went straight into retreat boxing mode. Now guzman, can pepper anyone up with hard fast shots. Somthin you've never seen Paq have to deal with. Close you've seen to it, is Paq goin toe to toe with Marquez. lol Even then Paq has to lower his head, close his eyes, eat a couple shots, and hope he lands. Guzman would basically have a field day, and somthin tells me, your boy wouldn't be able to take Guzman's punch, too much speed and velocity, would completely overwhelm Manny. Especially with Manny's footwork, its way to sloppy to adjust to a fast handed fighter.

you must be really ******ed to say this.

[We want Floyd]

JMM fans are looking too much into that punch. if y'all can look at the video w/o bias. PAC got caught in the middle of him jumping up w/ his feet not planted on the canvas, it was more of him being off-balance more than anything else.

I mean, let me ask y'all this. If you jumped up in the air and had a friend push you slightly while up in the air, wouldn't it throw your balance off coming down?
Compared to if your feet were firmly planted on the ground and have someone push you. Because you would have a solid base!

[MaYaN_SuN]

you must be really ******ed to say this.

Atribute wise, specifically strength and power. JMM and Paq aren't in their league. I wasn't talkin about skill wise.

[bigdlb12]

Pac can take a good shot, but Marquez does lack power vs elite fighters.
The punch by Marquez was wide(you can see marquez reaching out), I think had it been a short hook, it would have floored Pac. Yeah Marquez lacks power, but that punch, had it been short would have sat PacMan down, but not for long, he recovers well.

[SnoopySmurf]

Miguel Cotto at 140 was getting wobbled a lot. When you're starving to make weight, it definitely makes an impact (no pun intended) on you chin.

Coz once Cotto moved up to 147, though occasionally hurt - it wasn't like when he was at 140.

Pacquiao has developed a better chin. But at 135, we're talking about BIGGER guys who starve to make 135 yet still throw like a welter weight. We'll see how Pacquiao can take a punch.

[Mugwump]

and he basically buckle and shook it off does that mean JMM lacks power or Pacman could take a punch better now?

Cause PACMANS was hit right on the chin and it snapped his head sideways but he recovered well.

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Freeze that clip a second after the punch connects and it looks like Pac is going to the canvas. It's the same expression of dumb bewilderment that you see time and time again after a knockout punch.

But before Marquez's arm returns to his side Pac's senses come on like a light switch and his legs are back under control. I can't remember seeing a boxer who RECOVERS quicker from a huge punch than Pac.

He's a freak of nature.

[COACH WEBB]

this is a great thread because Manny's CHIN is my only gripe with him! I mean he is tough, he has power in both hands, but he gets hit toooooo much....The next person that is going to beat Manny is one that can FIRST take his punch (Manny can crack), then make him pay and knock him out...I don't think he will get stopped, but then again this is boxing.

Dear Freddie Roach, WORK ON PACMAN'S DEFENSE!!!!!!!!

Other than that he is still a great champion and one of my favorites to watch.

[shadeyfizzle]

what is it about that spot on the chin that will make you lose conciousness? is it the whiplash?

You dont literally lose conciousness when you take a good shot on the chin. the chin acts like a filter for the shock vibrating your equilibrium to such a degree that it distorts your balance. In plain english it pretty much means it shakes your equilibrium which is on each side of your head right behind each ear so much that it destroys your sense of balance and you cant tell up from down and depending on how hard you got hit might stay that way for awhile. But you dont literally lose conciousness like passin out or bein put in the sleeper hold.

[shadeyfizzle]

lol How could you be as bold to assume JMM or Paq is stronger let alone durable enough to withstand Soto, Guzman, or Valereo? Just for the sake of a Paq arguement, lol right?

Well use your head to think, not your ass. Or do you actually use your head to think, but you talk out of your ass? lol Either way, Soto, Valereo, even Guzman with his speed are actual 130lbers. Just cause JMM and Paq moved up and get more attention, lol Does not mean they're in the same league as those guys. Those are all "actual" heavy hitters. Type of fighters you never seen your boy in against, because if you did see em, you'd be more respectfull of their talents and attributes.

Soto, not that fast, but fast enough, and his power is evident. You seen him go toe to toe with Guzman and he was still able to stay in the fight. Wich is why Guzman went straight into retreat boxing mode. Now guzman, can pepper anyone up with hard fast shots. Somthin you've never seen Paq have to deal with. Close you've seen to it, is Paq goin toe to toe with Marquez. lol Even then Paq has to lower his head, close his eyes, eat a couple shots, and hope he lands. Guzman would basically have a field day, and somthin tells me, your boy wouldn't be able to take Guzman's punch, too much speed and velocity, would completely overwhelm Manny. Especially with Manny's footwork, its way to sloppy to adjust to a fast handed fighter.

Are you really ******ed??? 1st of all Marquez had all the leverage in the world behind that hook. Frazier and Tyson were famous for throwing that same lunging left hook because it dropped fools all the time. And yes he did hit a floating target with no base and STILL failed to drop him. Personally i think the reason he didn't follow up after that wasnt because that's not JMM's style but because he was in shock that he DIDN'T go down. As far as the other superfeathers you mentioned. Valero is strong but not very fast or disciplined. He is simply a brawler with power and Pac wins any brawl. Period. Guzman is a *****. he was hurt by Sotto went into ballerina mode. He would try to go toe to toe with Pac but get hurt and try to retreat to retreat to the ropes where he does his best work but the second he backs up he eats the famous 1dimensional 1,2 and he would never make it all the way to the ropes. I'm not even gonna mention Sotto because he's not worth mentioning.