Am I the only guy here that thinks Cotto isnt getting past Margarito?!

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Do you not understand that Miguel Cotto is capable of dishing out much more punishment than Margarito?

The first step towards understanding how limited Margarito is, is to actually sit down and watch his fights. Once you do, you will realize what a truly average puncher he is.

People like you are under this illusion that Margarito his a power puncher. He is not, he is simply a volume puncher that has managed to overwhelm average opponents that were unprepared for his endurance.

Stop thinking of Margarito as a wrecking machine, stop thinking of him as a power puncher, stop thinking of him as a murderous body puncher, stop thinking of him as a knockout artist, because he is none of those things.

Miguel Cotto IS a Murderous body puncher, a bazooka jabber, a thudding right hand puncher, a brutal beat you down and knock you out fighter.

If Margarito stands and trades with Miguel Cotto, it will not be a good night for Antonio Margarito.

How do you figure he's not a power puncher? He knocked out the last 7 of his last 10 opponents.

1. Margarito has a better chin than Cotto.
2. Margarito is arguably more powerful than Cotto.
3. Margarito is the naturally stronger and bigger man.

Margarito has 35 wins with 25 of those wins coming by KO. Standing and trading is what will be Cotto's mistake if this fight happens. Cotto needs to outbox Margarito, he can't outslug him. Nobody likes getting hit to the body, Cotto doesn't like it either, when he got hit to the body by Mosley, he moved back. Margarito can dish out more punishment than you give him credit for.

[THE REED]

Do you not understand that Miguel Cotto is capable of dishing out much more punishment than Margarito?

That truthfully is all opinion based. I will say that Margs chin is more proven than Cottos, and he CAN punch... How many clean punches to the jaw can someone take, especially if that someone is Cotto, and its Marg whose punching.

The first step towards understanding how limited Margarito is, is to actually sit down and watch his fights. Once you do, you will realize what a truly average puncher he is.

I agree hes not the most gifted fighter Ive seen... But he IS capable of knocking someone out. You can't deny him that.[/QUOTE]

People like you are under this illusion that Margarito his a power puncher. He is not, he is simply a volume puncher that has managed to overwhelm average opponents that were unprepared for his endurance.

People are also under the influence that Cotto is a power puncher. He isn't, he knocked Zab out, in the 11th round... And it was from the volume and persistent punches that finally broke Zab down... He beats you, breaking you down, not on KO power. And Marg, is HARDLY... a Zab Judah.

Stop thinking of Margarito as a wrecking machine, stop thinking of him as a power puncher, stop thinking of him as a murderous body puncher, stop thinking of him as a knockout artist, because he is none of those things.

Miguel Cotto IS a Murderous body puncher, a bazooka jabber, a thudding right hand puncher, a brutal beat you down and knock you out fighter.

That actually made me laugh, like laughing with you... lol.... but it does seem SLIGHTLY biased lol.... Margarito is a 90 year old woman with a walker trying to cross the street, and Cotto is the T1000 from Terminator. You blew it slightly out of proportion.

If Margarito stands and trades with Miguel Cotto, it will not be a good night for Antonio Margarito.

Or Miguel Cotto.

[!! Shawn]

I personally feel, that Joshua Clottey is an outstanding, underrated figher, and is capable of upsetting, really anyone out there... its not out of the question based on all the upsets that have been happening recently.. But Margarito did pull out that fight, he did what he had to do... But I think that fight is more of a credit to an outstanding performance by Clottey, then it is negative for margarito.

I agree, Margarito did win the fight, and I personally think Clottey is the most underrated fighter in the world today, but is he on Cotto's level skill wise? Almost, but not quite. However, before he broke both of his hands, he did manage to give Margarito an old school ass whooping.

And Paul Williams is my man, I bet on that fight and make 10k for williams, I was rooting for him the whole way... but lets also be honest... If Margarito had turned on the head maybe a round or two sooner that could have been a different outcome.. It took him awhile to get adjusted to P.Wills bugsy bunny type boxing...its like walking into a big tall bouncing weedwacker... which I think it would be hard for anyone to adapt too... (credit to quintana), but he did adapt, and did start doing very well near the end. Paul still won, Im just saying...

I have to disagree with you on this point. Margarito did not adapt, if you go back and watch the fight again, Paul Williams started to become over confident, started to trade inside with Margarito, and still came out no worse for ware.

Basically, Paul Williams changed the way he was fighting in a manner that allowed Margarito to get a little more work done.

Some would argue that Williams started to fight inside with Margarito because of Margarito's body punching, but that is simply not true.

As anyone that has seen more than 1 Paul Williams fight is keenly aware, Paul Williams is prone to displays of macho-ism. He likes to give away his height and just punch with a guy.

For most of the fight, Williams obeyed his corner and stuck and moved, but in the later rounds, with the fight all but won, Williams started to fight how he likes to fight.

Although I do agree, that he does fight well even though he gets rocked from time to time... I will disagree and say, no one that is wobbly, is exactly "clear headed".

I once again am forced to disagree, but I do appreciate your opinion.

As nearly every fighter knows, there are different kinds of hurt.

There is the kind of hurt where you dont know where you are, and are fighting simply on instincts. This is the type of hurt where a fighter walks to the wrong corner after the bell.

And there is the type of hurt where you simply do not have your legs under you.
It is not like being dizzey, you feel normal, your legs just don't do what you tell them too. A good example of this kind of hurt is Kelly Pavlik vs Jermain Taylor. Kelly was clear as a bell, his legs simply were not doing what he told them too.

This is the kind of hurt that gives you chicken dances as fighters that do not realize that they are hurt, because they feel normal, stumble around the ring arguing with the ref (see Judah Chicken dance).

The latter is the type of hurt Cotto is susceptible too. Fortunately for Cotto, he has been in that situation quite a few times, and knows what to do when it happens.

I have never seen Cotto in a position where he looks like he is disoriented or doesn't know what is going on.

His eyes are always clear, you can always see that he is trying to implement a strategy to buy time for his legs to reconnect to his brain, and he is always actively defending himself.

[THE REED]

I agree, Margarito did win the fight, and I personally think Clottey is the most underrated fighter in the world today, but is he on Cotto's level skill wise? Almost, but not quite. However, before he broke both of his hands, he did manage to give Margarito an old school ass whooping.



I have to disagree with you on this point. Margarito did not adapt, if you go back and watch the fight again, Paul Williams started to become over confident, started to trade inside with Margarito, and still came out no worse for ware.

Basically, Paul Williams changed the way he was fighting in a manner that allowed Margarito to get a little more work done.

Some would argue that Williams started to fight inside with Margarito because of Margarito's body punching, but that is simply not true.

As anyone that has seen more than 1 Paul Williams fight is keenly aware, Paul Williams is prone to displays of macho-ism. He likes to give away his height and just punch with a guy.

For most of the fight, Williams obeyed his corner and stuck and moved, but in the later rounds, with the fight all but won, Williams started to fight how he likes to fight.



I once again am forced to disagree, but I do appreciate your opinion.

As nearly every fighter knows, there are different kinds of hurt.

There is the kind of hurt where you dont know where you are, and are fighting simply on instincts. This is the type of hurt where a fighter walks to the wrong corner after the bell.

And there is the type of hurt where you simply do not have your legs under you.
It is not like being dizzey, you feel normal, your legs just don't do what you tell them too. A good example of this kind of hurt is Kelly Pavlik vs Jermain Taylor. Kelly was clear as a bell, his legs simply were not doing what he told them too.

This is the kind of hurt that gives you chicken dances as fighters that do not realize that they are hurt, because they feel normal, stumble around the ring arguing with the ref (see Judah Chicken dance).

The latter is the type of hurt Cotto is susceptible too. Fortunately for Cotto, he has been in that situation quite a few times, and knows what to do when it happens.

I have never seen Cotto in a position where he looks like he is disoriented or doesn't know what is going on.

His eyes are always clear, you can always see that he is trying to implement a strategy to buy time for his legs to reconnect to his brain, and he is always actively defending himself.

I can agree with the last two responses...

[MaYaN_SuN]

I think Mayweather is a safer fight for Cotto then Margarito is. If Cotto has to face Margarito and Cotto loses, Floyd will never fight him.

[!! Shawn]

That truthfully is all opinion based. I will say that Margs chin is more proven than Cottos, and he CAN punch... How many clean punches to the jaw can someone take, especially if that someone is Cotto, and its Marg whose punching.

I agree that Margarito has an iron chin, much better than Cotto's, but he does cut, and I am not sure how well he takes it to the body. I have never really seen anyone take it to Margarito's body. I have a feeling that he will pull a Juan Diaz in the face of a concerted body attack.

It is also important to note that Cotto has MUCH better defense than people give him credit for. He controls distance well, slips punches well, and is very good at blocking punches.

Mosley was only able to come over the top with right hands because... well... he is Shane Mosley. Margarito is SO slow, its really infeasible to think that he will be able to catch Cotto with anything that he doesn't see, can't block, or wont get out of the way of.

I agree hes not the most gifted fighter Ive seen... But he IS capable of knocking someone out. You can't deny him that.

He is capable, but not on demand, and it is not his standard method of victory. Upon watching Margarito fight, one of the first things you notice is the lack of leverage he gets on his punches. Simply put, his power most likely comes from pure strength.

Most of his punches are also pushing punches, which is another indicator that his power comes from strength alone.

He does not have any snap on his punches, not much leverage, not the greatest punching technique, and not the best balance. All that contribute to slow hands, and only slightly above average knock out power.

I am not dis*****g that he is a strong puncher, but strong punching is not good for much other than pushing fighters off balance and making them nervous and uncomfortable.

Little use against a CottoCop.

People are also under the influence that Cotto is a power puncher. He isn't, he knocked Zab out, in the 11th round... And it was from the volume and persistent punches that finally broke Zab down... He beats you, breaking you down, not on KO power. And Marg, is HARDLY... a Zab Judah.

Cotto is a power puncher in the truest sense of the word. He is not a one punch knockout artist, I never claimed he was. He is was and always will be a fighter that beats you to a pulp.

25 of his 31 wins have come by KO. At my last count, 13 of those KO's have been from a left hook to the liver.

3 of his last 18 opponents have made it to the final bell, 2 if you exclude Shane Mosley.

One of those two, Paulie Malignaggi not only suffered a savage beating, but a shattered orbital bone in his face.

[OmnipotentFloyd]

I like Margarito in this fight, he is 1 hell of a tough guy and has some decent power and we have all seen Cotto hurt before.

[!! Shawn]

I like Margarito in this fight, he is 1 hell of a tough guy and has some decent power and we have all seen Cotto hurt before.

The fact that Margarito is one tough son of a ***** is indisputable.

[THE REED]

I agree that Margarito has an iron chin, much better than Cotto's, but he does cut, and I am not sure how well he takes it to the body. I have never really seen anyone take it to Margarito's body. I have a feeling that he will pull a Juan Diaz in the face of a concerted body attack.

It is also important to note that Cotto has MUCH better defense than people give him credit for. He controls distance well, slips punches well, and is very good at blocking punches.

Mosley was only able to come over the top with right hands because... well... he is Shane Mosley. Margarito is SO slow, its really infeasible to think that he will be able to catch Cotto with anything that he doesn't see, can't block, or wont get out of the way of.

Cotto does have an excellent defense, not as tight as Floyds, but thats not what were comparing. Given that Cotto has been proven to be open for uppercuts, and Overhand rights like you stated. Mosley is the same size as Cotto, and he could land those over hand rights...

With the height advantage coming from Margarito, it would be safe to say it would be easier to both see, and land, the right overhand punch. Also being that Marg is taller, and Cotto has a slouching stalking style, it also makes it for an easier uppercut to land.

Your description of Margarito's "slow" hand speed, although is funny... is slightly exaggerated. You make it sound like it would take him ten minutes to fully extend one arm. lol.

He is capable, but not on demand, and it is not his standard method of victory. Upon watching Margarito fight, one of the first things you notice is the lack of leverage he gets on his punches. Simply put, his power most likely comes from pure strength.

Most of his punches are also pushing punches, which is another indicator that his power comes from strength alone.

He does not have any snap on his punches, not much leverage, not the greatest punching technique, and not the best balance. All that contribute to slow hands, and only slightly above average knock out power.

I am not dis*****g that he is a strong puncher, but strong punching is not good for much other than pushing fighters off balance and making them nervous and uncomfortable.

Little use against a CottoCop.

I wont really dispute that, but I think its safe to say that neither Cotto or Margarito are power punchers. They don't knock you out with one punch, they break you down over the course of a fight. With that said, it would be safe for me to say you really can't say who has the more powerful punch. You got good handspeed and tecnique from Cotto, and you have slower but strong power from Margarito.

Being that you can't really say who has the harder punch. But you can see, and prove that margarito does have the more solid and proven chin. And with that, I would take Margarito in a toe to toe battle. I think he can take it more than Cotto can.

Cotto is a power puncher in the truest sense of the word. He is not a one punch knockout artist, I never claimed he was. He is was and always will be a fighter that beats you to a pulp.

25 of his 31 wins have come by KO. At my last count, 13 of those KO's have been from a left hook to the liver.

3 of his last 18 opponents have made it to the final bell, 2 if you exclude Shane Mosley.

One of those two, Paulie Malignaggi not only suffered a savage beating, but a shattered orbital bone in his face.

I won't discredit his wins by those other opponents, and the way in which he disposed of them. But I will say that those other fighters, are not a Margarito, and that goes for Zab Judah as well.

[!! Shawn]

Cotto does have an excellent defense, not as tight as Floyds, but thats not what were comparing. Given that Cotto has been proven to be open for uppercuts, and Overhand rights like you stated. Mosley is the same size as Cotto, and he could land those over hand rights...

With the height advantage coming from Margarito, it would be safe to say it would be easier to both see, and land, the right overhand punch. Also being that Marg is taller, and Cotto has a slouching stalking style, it also makes it for an easier uppercut to land.

Your description of Margarito's "slow" hand speed, although is funny... is slightly exaggerated. You make it sound like it would take him ten minutes to fully extend one arm. lol.

Think you missed my point in referencing Shane Mosley's ability to land overhand rights.

Mosley was able to land those punches because he was

A) Smart enough to feint Cotto into creating the opening

and

B) Fast enough to put a right hand through the opening before it closed.

Margarito is neither smart enough to create the opening, nor fast enough to take advantage of it if he could create it.

About Margarito's hand speed, I have to disagree with you. If there is a fighter with p4p slower hands, I have never seen them.

His jab is pretty average in speed, but his right hand is SOOOOO slow. His left hook is SLOW. His uppercuts, SLOW

Margarito does have a good uppercut, but only in combinations, unfortunately, its hard to put together combinations like that against a smart fighter like Cotto.

Also, Margarito has a 1 inch shorter reach than Shane Mosley.