You never want to see a guy quit, but...

[Mr. Ryan]

in hindsight you have to understand why Carlos Quintana did what he did after the 5th with Cotto. There are times in a fight when the tide turns and you can still hold out hope for a reversal of fortunes. The way Quintana went down the first time, and more significantly how he crumbled after the 2nd KD without solid punches landing, you could see the ability to defend himself wasn't there anymore.

His corner tried to send him back out, but really, for what? A corner should be able to read their fighter immediately, like Raul Marquez's corner in the Jermain Taylor fight. It was clear to me atleast that Quintana had nothing left and for him to need to verbalize it showed that the corner wasn't putting his best interest forward.

[KingTito]

i agree.. i was wondering why his corner was trying to force him back out, after he obviously didn't want to fight anymore, and after he told them that.. they definitely weren't looking out for the best interest of their fighter

[Left2body]

I agree, sometimes its better for a fighter to quit and fight another day than to ruin his career with a bad beating. Unfortunately the intrinsic nature of boxers doesn't allow them to recognize this in themselves and its upto the corners to save them.

Good examples are Quintana and Vazquez-Marquez I. We know Vazquez has tons of heart and gets up from devastating KD's and I'm glad he recognized that he was not going to be able to compete without being able to breathe. Roach did a great job with that too.

I think Vargas' corner for the Trinidad fight cost him his career. He could've stayed a viable force but they kept him in too long and he was a ruined fighter after that.

[Mike_Dee]

that 5th round was a beatdown... I'd understand too if Quintana didn't want to come out for the sixth

[Mr. Ryan]

i agree.. i was wondering why his corner was trying to force him back out, after he obviously didn't want to fight anymore, and after he told them that.. they definitely weren't looking out for the best interest of their fighter

Under extreme circumstances where the playing field is tilted so far in another guy's favor, you need to be right there on top of things protecting his interests. Fights like Lacy-Calzaghe, Campbell-Quiles, Jones Jr.-Hall, those are instances of a corner having their thumbs in their asses and not paying close enough attention to their fighter getting his brains scrambled.

[Mr. Ryan]

I agree, sometimes its better for a fighter to quit and fight another day than to ruin his career with a bad beating. Unfortunately the intrinsic nature of boxers doesn't allow them to recognize this in themselves and its upto the corners to save them.

Good examples are Quintana and Vazquez-Marquez I. We know Vazquez has tons of heart and gets up from devastating KD's and I'm glad he recognized that he was not going to be able to compete without being able to breathe. Roach did a great job with that too.

I think Vargas' corner for the Trinidad fight cost him his career. He could've stayed a viable force but they kept him in too long and he was a ruined fighter after that.

In Vargas' case, you get a lot of gray area. Of course, we can say after the fight that what was taking place from rounds 8-11 was culminating into a huge Tito round 12 and a knockout. While the punishment was steady in those rounds, there weren't flashy head-snapping punches or sustained unanswered combinations, just Tito grinding away at an increasingly immobile Vargas.

Vargas' corner was trying to gamble on the cards and the big punch, but you could make a case for stopping a fight a few rounds earlier, maybe after the tenth. Who knows, boxing is so crazy.

With a prizefighter, you need to find the balance between preserving your guy's physical well-being, preserving his self-confidence, and preserving his marketability.

With Quintana, "El Indio" was preserving his well-being, but clearly was not self-conscious as to let retirement in the ring affect his career moving forward. Izzy Vasquez, the same thing, he was mature enough to say OK, let's fight another day. Not like Jason Litzau, who is crazy enough to play chicken with a house.

With Quintana though, quitting hurt his marketability for awhile and he found himself in boxing hell trying to get back to the top. Boy, did beating P Will vindicate him.

[Kball15]

Yea he preserved a lot of his career because of that decision. He might be washed up today had he gone a few more rounds.

[Hitman932]

Jones Jr.-Hall, those are instances of a corner having their thumbs in their asses and not paying close enough attention to their fighter getting his brains scrambled.

poor richard hall, he got his ass beaten down in that fight. if i recall correctly he went an entire round without landing a punch.

[Left2body]

Asian I think example you give of Jeff Lacey is a perfect example of a corner being pridefull and not doing what is best for there fighter. Jeff got beat from pillar to post and from ding to ding, he had tremendous heart but was not competitive at all, should've been stopped.

[oovavu]

Do you think they take the beating more psychologically than anything I mean is it a case of them being battered to the point of irreparable damage or is it that they've been to the very pits of pain tolerance and just don't want to go back?

These boxers are kind of like fighting dogs, if there corner wants them to go on then they basically obey orders and carry on with the fight you don't often see a boxer himself flat out refuse to come out for a round its usually a collective decision, but thats also where the tragedies happen as trainers and promoters are sending fighters out for their vested interests, but also you can look at it in the way that it is a high octane adrenaline fueled scenario and sending a fighter out for just one more round is seen as the best thing to do, because if he says hes ok and he looks alright what can you do?

I think for boxing to be a viable commercial sport in the future the safety aspect i going to have to be looked at because watching someone getting a hidung for 12 rounds purely based on the fact hes on his feet doesn't make a good spectacle and in the end will ruin a lot of lives.