david haye vs joe louis -who wins?

[-Hyperion-]

Thank you for the enlightment.

But that was over the course of 71 fights. Against everybody even remotely considered the best.

I'd like to see Haye after 71 fights. Against everybody even remotely considered the best.
My guess is that he would lose more than Louis did.

and that opinion is proof he wins and haye has no shot???

even if it was true, that doesnt mean he would beat haye...and im not even saying haye wins...im saying its not ludicrous to think a puncher can beat a guy who got dropped by tony galento....

[tyson]

lol are we supossed to be impressed with lewis doing basic defense??...

The difference between a master and a student lies in the small, subtle movements.

That video actually showed the ice-cold mind of Louis as he barely steps back, sideways and slips punches before countering.

Most fighters are able to duck, bob and weave away from punches from time to time.
Only true masters do so with millimeter precision which keeps them in position to counter every single time.

Recent years, Kostya Tszyu is the best example I have seen of this.

Bigger moves looks more flashy, but flashy does not mean it's more effective.

[TheGreatA]

Yep, but Ali was 28 years younger than Louis or?
Some fighters back than had the skill to still compete with modern fighters, some not.
I was just picking M. Baer (not B. Baer ) to show how bad some were.

Max Baer was known as a wild brawler with great power in his right hand, similar to someone like Sam Peter or Hasim Rahman these days.
Not much boxing skills but very strong, tough and powerful and not afraid to foul other fighters..

If I showed people vid's of Ricardo Mayorga, Ponce De Leon and Sam Peter I'm sure they would think that boxing has no skill involved.

Louis had trouble with the best boxers he fought, not the brawlers. Those he dispatched quite easily.

Max Schmeling, Jack Sharkey, Billy Conn, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles were all capable boxers.

If you're not impressed by Louis' skills, it's alright but when a trainer like Freddie Roach says that Louis is the most textbook boxer he ever saw, that means something.

Sir, stop posting youtube videos this is a boxing forum, yes we all have seen all of those videos a million times, already.

Thank you!

Here comes 1 000 001.

[tyson]

and that opinion is proof he wins and haye has no shot???

even if it was true, that doesnt mean he would beat haye...and im not even saying haye wins...im saying its not ludicrous to think a puncher can beat a guy who got dropped by tony galento....

No, not at all. Haye could win a fight if a fight between them were possible.

But it is disrespectful to compare Haye to one of the greatest heavy's in the history before Haye has even campaigned in the division.

I would favour today's soccer teams against the best from the 50's if they were to actually meet.
But it is a disservice to the sport to diminish the past greats who did everything humanly possible to be remembered by claiming a non-proven heavyweight would beat them.

[-Hyperion-]

The difference between a master and a student lies in the small, subtle movements.

That video actually showed the ice-cold mind of Louis as he barely steps back, sideways and slips punches before countering.

Most fighters are able to duck, bob and weave away from punches from time to time.
Only true masters do so with millimeter precision which keeps them in position to counter every single time.

Recent years, Kostya Tszyu is the best example I have seen of this.

Bigger moves looks more flashy, but flashy does not mean it's more effective.

most defense in boxing is luring people in, most punching in boxing are counters....sure joe did it at a high level, but i would expect that from a world class fighter....which he certainly was he was a legend at his time...that doesnt mean i have to find "the video showing joe louis doing baasic defense" impressive....it is overblown...im not taking ashot at joe louis

[xAUGUSTUSx]

who wins?
i say haye in brutal 4th round ko fashion.

You're a pure moron if you believe that. This is getting so ****** already. There's too many WWE fans here now, thanks to Floyd.

[-Hyperion-]

No, not at all. Haye could win a fight if a fight between them were possible.

But it is disrespectful to compare Haye to one of the greatest heavy's in the history before Haye has even campaigned in the division.

I would favour today's soccer teams against the best from the 50's if they were to actually meet.
But it is a disservice to the sport to diminish the past greats who did everything humanly possible to be remembered by claiming a non-proven heavyweight would beat them.

well haye has had one fight at heavy....and he is roughly joe louis' size...

i find it useless to compare fighters of different eras.....but i have a problem with people thinking because someone's great means he is untouchable...that was my rant in this thread sorry for coming about as a louis hater....

[TheGreatA]

most defense in boxing is luring people in, most punching in boxing are counters....sure joe did it at a high level, but i would expect that from a world class fighter....which he certainly was he was a legend at his time...that doesnt mean i have to find "the video showing joe louis doing baasic defense" impressive....it is overblown...im not taking ashot at joe louis

It's not supposed to impress people who already know their boxing but some people in this forum have said that the 'old school' fighters lack even the basics...



This video was made for those people.

[tyson]

most defense in boxing is luring people in, most punching in boxing are counters....sure joe did it at a high level, but i would expect that from a world class fighter....which he certainly was he was a legend at his time...that doesnt mean i have to find "the video showing joe louis doing baasic defense" impressive....it is overblown...im not taking ashot at joe louis

You don't have to find it impressive at all.

But it is impressive nonetheless. It is probably a thing guys like Freddie Roach and the like find way more impressive than you and me.
Why? Because it's all in the finer details that the common man just cannot see.

I used to think the old-timers ******. That changed as I watched more and more boxing and became a better and better fighter.

The difference between moving one inch out of the way of a punch and three inches is quite significant.

Haye has actually the same kind of talent, he moves just this little bit out of the way and then BAM!!
He is mighty impressive in doing that stuff.
But he is unproven in the heavyweight division and thus should not get to be compared to the great heavy's of the past.

But that is MY opinion.

[Zerwas1]

Max Baer was known as a wild brawler with great power in his right hand, similar to someone like Sam Peter or Hasim Rahman these days.
Not much boxing skills but very strong, tough and powerful and not afraid to foul other fighters..

If I showed people vid's of Ricardo Mayorga, Ponce De Leon and Sam Peter I'm sure they would think that boxing has no skill involved.

Louis had trouble with the best boxers he fought, not the brawlers. Those he dispatched quite easily.

Max Schmeling, Jack Sharkey, Billy Conn, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles were all capable boxers.

If you're not impressed by Louis' skills, it's alright but when a trainer like Freddie Roach says that Louis is the most textbook boxer he ever saw, that means something.




Here comes 1 000 001.

Louis had skill, I never questioned that.
Rahman/Sam Peter KO 1 Max Baer