Pound for Pound, who was better, Calzaghe or De La Hoya?

[Jolly Roger]

Actually Jolly, we're talking Calzaghe vs. DLH ina p4p sense.

That's it. Start another thread if you wanna debate something else.

Thank you.

DLH>>> Calzaghe P4P.

And p4p is based on resume AND talent, moreso resume. Or else Zab Judah would be God, no?

It was on-topic actually. You said that an American wouldn't be allowed to fight Veit twice, i pointed out that the same thing did indeed happen with Hopkins.

Thank you.

[IMDAZED]

It was on-topic actually. You said that an American wouldn't be allowed to fight Veit twice, i pointed out that the same thing did indeed happen with Hopkins.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

DLH>>>Calzaghe.

Next.

[Run]

Well Oscar fought the better people...

But oscar also lost to the better people?

Hopkins - Mayweather - Trinidad - Shane

Few maybes...

Sweet Pea - Sturm

Calzaghe fought alot of people.. but kessler and lacy are the best ones we know over here.

Sp most likley.. OSCAR!

He might have lost to sturm (terrible fight)

Whitaker faded late and Oscar won the last two rounds easily..........lol well Witaker totally gave away the 12th. But anyways that was a close fight and really it's one of the few fights I can remember where you can make the case for either guy actually winning.

Mosley beat Oscar in the first fight yeah, that was a great showing. But the second fight was a flat out ****ing robbery. I don't see how anyone in their right mind could claim that Mosley legitimately won that, lol. He was worked with the jab over and over.

He had no business moving up in weight and fighting Hopkins Oscar did. I mean he had already shown that he couldn't deal with a decent MW in Sturm (Nothing flashy, just a well rounded fighter with a nice jab). It was inevitable that Hopkins would in fact take him into deep water.

And the fight of the millennium wasn't a robbery per say, because if you re watch you can clearly see Trinidad being the aggressor and stalking De La Hoya late in the fight. The judges scoring however was so ****ed there was no sense in even debating scores. It's clear that Oscar won 3 of the first 4 rounds or hell........all 4. But Roth scored 3 of the first 4 for him.



Yeah and aside from suspect Judging in the respective (Trinidad, Mosley II) fights he was beat pretty soundly by Hopkins, Mosley in the first fight, and of course...........the fight with Floyd. Which doesn't need a description.



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[RichCCFC]

LOL. Do you guys hounestly think that if De La Hoya was the same size as Joe he would win?

Oscar would gas badly and Joe will beat him to the punch EVERY time.

[sparked_85]

you can't compare.

Oscar is American, big fights are a million times easier to achieve.

You have to say Oscar. If pushed.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Maybe if guys like Hopkins didn't back out of fights he would've been a name in the US. It isn't all Calzaghe's fault that he didn't fight well known Americans. Calzaghe just happened to fight in a division dominated by Europeans, and he's looked down on because of it. Personally this whole "come to America" thing is bull****, boxing is an international sport, not an American one. There's plenty of top fighters in little old Europe.

Listen, it's not about USA > Europe by any means. I know there are great fighter's in Europe, there always have been. What I'm saying is that if you want to become the greatest soccer player in the world, you move to Europe. If you want to be the greatest basketball player in the world, you play in the NBA. If you want to race dogs, then you move to Alaska....

My point is, that the US is the mecca of pro boxing, plain and simple. American's don't care what country you are from, if you win they will love you. American's love a winner and will pay to see a winner. Calzaghe by his own addmition, said he loves to fight in Wales and stay there. He's a superstar there where as in the US, many people would barely know who he was.

It was a choice and now he's trying to make up for it. Too little to late IMO and I think even if he beats up on old ass Bernard or Roy Jr., it won't do much for his legacy. I respect him as a fighter but you have to come State side to elevate your career to the next level.

[The Critic]

"If they were the same size," I can't imagine Oscar winning. Yet it doesn't seem right to call Joe better (b/c his career is less glorious, he fought all at one weight, etc.).

I didn't answer, though I'm tempted to vote for Joe

[BrooklynBomber]

"If they were the same size," I can't imagine Oscar winning. Yet it doesn't seem right to call Joe better (b/c his career is less glorious, he fought all at one weight, etc.).

I didn't answer, though I'm tempted to vote for Joe

That's the same thing for me, as for achievements, you can give it to Oscar, barely though.

But if they ever fought, I am pulling for Calzaghe in this one.

[deuce_drop]

DLH has a far better resume and has fought everyone in and around his weight class, all during their primes, DLH took on all the names and never ducked anyone that i know of............sorry to say calzaghe hasn't fought guys in their prime, only one that i can think of that was and is in his prime (kessler).

DLH took on everyone that he could and made fights that the public wanted and wants to see, clazaghe hasn't even come close to doing so at anytime during his career. only till now has joe started to come out of his comfort zone, out of his comfort zone of hand picked opponents and out of his comfort zone in fighting out of his own backyard......

also DLH moved up in weight to fight bigger guys. now i will say this, i DO think that it is harder for a fighter to stay at the same weight at least for a long time like joe has, but moving up in weight and capturing world titles along the way is impressive and adds to the p4p title more than fighting hand picked opponents at the same weight.

and what i mean by hand picked is calzaghe has made a career of fighting guys who were not ready for his level of fighting or fighting guys that have seen their best day already and would only make for an exciting win for joe......

DLH is/was better P4P................

[Easy-E]

prime for prime p4p its easily De La Hoya.